The Dirty Independence Question

[LJS]

Ooh, is it perhaps a co-ordinated campaign?

The lovely Lucy is a travel writer for the telegraph and she has now deleted this tweet, but if you search for "Lucy Aspden Scotland" on Twitter you will find all the people replying to her tweet before she deleted it.

Lovely, lovely people

Edited April 29, 2021 by LJS

[eFestivals]

45 minutes ago, LJS said:

that's it!

I've changed my mind. I was wrong all along. Because Natwest are going to move their Brass plaque  to London,

 

 

Its about more than a brass plaque it's about the ability of iScotland to support the sorts of financial institutions an indy Scotland would need to posper its a view by the financial services industry on scotland ability to succeed at the levels indy is being sailed iuout no bright future  and you brush it off ubthuinkingly as about a brass plaque. Zero thought again. Which is where the danger of indy is. 

45 minutes ago, LJS said:

 

I abandon independence. I mean, looking at their track record, there is no one better to take financial advice from.

or alternatively

The Unionists are shiteing themselves so much, they are starting the threats 30 months before there is any likelihood of a referendum. We can smell your fear.

Its one of Scotland s major employers and run by Scots not unionists. When indy has driven away all the good jobs you won't be able to blame thatcher for the Scottish wastelands. Just the choices of Scots in Scotland that thing which you claim will make everything better. 

[eFestivals]

59 minutes ago, LJS said:

that's it!

I've changed my mind. I was wrong all along. Because Natwest are going to move their Brass plaque  to London, I abandon independence. I mean, looking at their track record, there is no one better to take financial advice from.

or alternatively

The Unionists are shiteing themselves so much, they are starting the threats 30 months before there is any likelihood of a referendum. We can smell your fear.

 

Where's the civic nationalism when you are othering Scots in Scotland as something less than Scottish because your dream doesn't fit with their long running business 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

You think we will get 100% of NatWest? It would be nice to think so but somehow I don't think it'll work that way.

 

I think Scotland will get one hundred percent of whatever stake te UK govt still holds in that banking group the UK govt would be mad to keep it because the damage and cost that decisionsstbjolyrrod could inflict. The uk ewill look to tranfer ownership of any other stuff like that so scotland gets the consequences of its own decisions. 

[eFestivals]

49 minutes ago, LJS said:

Ooh, is it perhaps a co-ordinated campaign?

The lovely Lucy is a travel writer for the telegraph and she has now deleted this tweet, but if you search for "Lucy Aspden Scotland" on Twitter you will find all the people replying to her tweet before she deleted it.

Lovely, lovely people

If you think theres no hatred of England in Scotland you've never been to Scotland. 

[LJS]

17 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

Its about more than a brass plaque it's about the ability of iScotland to support the sorts of financial institutions an indy Scotland would need to posper its a view by the financial services industry on scotland ability to succeed at the levels indy is being sailed iuout no bright future  and you brush it off ubthuinkingly as about a brass plaque. Zero thought again. Which is where the danger of indy is. 

Its one of Scotland s major employers and run by Scots not unionists.

It's chairman & CEO are English (nothing wrong with that but the way) & it is nearly 60% owned by the UK government. So who are these Scots who are running it?

17 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

When indy has driven away all the good jobs you won't be able to blame thatcher for the Scottish wastelands. Just the choices of Scots in Scotland that thing which you claim will make everything better. 

If that comes true, you will be right.

I do not believe that will come true.

10 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Where's the civic nationalism when you are othering Scots in Scotland as something less than Scottish because your dream doesn't fit with their long running business 

What Scots am I othering?

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I think Scotland will get one hundred percent of whatever stake te UK govt still holds in that banking group

In which case we will be able to tell them where to affix their brass plaques. So, problem solved.

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

the UK govt would be mad to keep it because the damage and cost that decisionsstbjolyrrod could inflict. The uk ewill look to tranfer ownership of any other stuff like that so scotland gets the consequences of its own decisions. 

Well, it's a nice thought. NatWest now makes a profit. And I think a 60% share in it is pretty valuable. But if rUK wants to give it to us as a leaving present, I'm sure we would take it.

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

If you think theres no hatred of England in Scotland you've never been to Scotland. 

There is hatred of England in Scotland. There is hatred of Scotland in England. There is hatred of England in England. There is hatred of Scotland in Scotland. Etc etc etc.

Hatred of the English in Scotland is clearly not a major issue, otherwise there would not be 50,000 of you English bastards moving here every year.

[LJS]

I just checked and UK government holds about 7billion shares in NatWest which are trading at roughly £2 a pop at the moment. 

UK gov is giving these to iScotland. That's a whole years deficit. 😂😂😂

[eFestivals]

Just now, LJS said:

It's chairman & CEO are English

 

 

 

Working In Edinburgh so Scottish under the civic thing until you show the civic thing for the figleaf it is. 

 

Just now, LJS said:

 

 

(nothing wrong with that but the way) & it is nearly 60% owned by the UK government. So who are these Scots who are running it?

All the people in those Edinburgh offices. 

Just now, LJS said:

If that comes true, you will be right.

Why do you think the uk would have a care for keeping it when other stuff will get transferred to the new iScotland. 

Just now, LJS said:

I do not believe that will come true.

What Scots am I othering?

The nes you othered. 

Just now, LJS said:

In which case we will be able to tell them where to affix their brass plaques. So, problem solved.

Well, it's a nice thought. NatWest now makes a profit. And I think a 60% share in it is pretty valuable. But if rUK wants to give it to us as a leaving present, I'm sure we would take it.

I'm not saying giving. There will be assets to a specific value to be split. It would seem sensible that Scotland got a Scottish based bank with significant activity within Scotland 

Just now, LJS said:

There is hatred of England in Scotland.

You've never met your countrymen then

Just now, LJS said:

 

 

There is hatred of Scotland in England.

No just dislike ofchippyiness

Just now, LJS said:

 

 

There is hatred of England in England. There is hatred of Scotland in Scotland. Etc etc etc.

Hatred of the English in Scotland is clearly not a major issue,

Major enough to drive and sustain an indy movement. 

Just now, LJS said:

 

 

otherwise there would not be 50,000 of you English bastards moving here every year.

A warm Scottish welcome just there showing the love for England. And how many Scots head south. 

[LJS]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Working In Edinburgh so Scottish under the civic thing until you show the civic thing for the figleaf it is. 

 

You know where they work?

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

All the people in those Edinburgh offices. 

The people in the Edinburgh offices do not run the bank.

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Why do you think the uk would have a care for keeping it when other stuff will get transferred to the new iScotland. 

Because it is worthv loads of money. And if they give it to us, the whole HQ thing falls apart because if we own it we can tell them to leave their brass plaques where they are.

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

The nes you othered. 

I don't other anyone. 

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'm not saying giving. There will be assets to a specific value to be split. It would seem sensible that Scotland got a Scottish based bank with significant activity within Scotland 

Excellent. So that will presumably lots of shared assets that we own part of but happen to be in London will be offset against some of our share of the UK debt 

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

You've never met your countrymen then

Perhaps you should read what's i said.

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

No just dislike ofchippyiness

Major enough to drive and sustain an indy movement. 

You have no idea. There is a new party on the go. You might have heard of them. They handed be a guy that used to be out first minister leading them.  I might be being a little unfair on them, but they probably tap into the ethnic nationalism thing as much as anyone does.

And guess what. According to most polls, they'll be lucky to get 3% of the vote.

Imagine if Ukip/brexit party has that level of support in England. Oh wait. They had up to 10 times that support.

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

A warm Scottish welcome just there showing the love for England.

Are you having a laugh?

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

And how many Scots head south. 

Less now than those who head in the other direction. 🙂

 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

 

You know where they work?

The people in the Edinburgh offices do not run the bank.

Its not a state secret were the babnksbhw offices are. And tthose offices are a long waty from the border with England so unlikly to be staffed by commuters. Instead bty Scots. If those offices aren't needed to run the bank whstaree they for. 

 

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

Because it is worthv loads of money. And if they give it to us, the whole HQ thing falls apart because if we own it we can tell them to leave their brass plaques where they are.

Not give asset split. If you say thr plaque is staying put you can also tell them you'll underwrite the liabilities. Lender of Last resort. 

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

I don't other anyone. 

You did. They became no true sciotsmen because they threatened to quit Scotland. 

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

Excellent. So that will presumably lots of shared assets that we own part of but happen to be in London will be offset against some of our share of the UK debt 

Shared assets like the ones own by the uj but happen to brein Scotland the UK debt which came into exisiatencero bail out Scotland. And where Scotland has in recent years been the great cauae of its increase. Who'd have thought the Scots being tight about their share of the debt 

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

Perhaps you should read what's i said.

You have no idea. There is a new party on the go. You might have heard of them. They handed be a guy that used to be out first minister leading them.

Thre the popular sex offender party. 

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

 

  I might be being a little unfair on them, but they probably tap into the ethnic nationalism thing as much as anyone does.

And guess what. According to most polls, they'll be lucky to get 3% of the vote.

Imagine if Ukip/brexit party has that level of support in England. Oh wait. They had up to 10 times that support.

"Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye."

Are you having a laugh?

Less now than those who head in the other direction. 🙂

 

I'm not the one claiming a nationalist perfection myth. Or blaming others for all of my country's problems Scots in Scotland are capable of shit decisions. Jut refresh your mind a with the 2014white paper full of shit decisions by Scots. 

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Its not a state secret were the babnksbhw offices are. And tthose offices are a long waty from the border with England so unlikly to be staffed by commuters. Instead bty Scots. If those offices aren't needed to run the bank whstaree they for. 

 

Not give asset split. If you say thr plaque is staying put you can also tell them you'll underwrite the liabilities. Lender of Last resort. 

You did. They became no true sciotsmen because they threatened to quit Scotland. 

Shared assets like the ones own by the uj but happen to brein Scotland the UK debt which came into exisiatencero bail out Scotland. And where Scotland has in recent years been the great cauae of its increase. Who'd have thought the Scots being tight about their share of the debt 

Thre the popular sex offender party. 

I'm not the one claiming a nationalist perfection myth. Or blaming others for all of my country's problems Scots in Scotland are capable of shit decisions. Jut refresh your mind a with the 2014white paper full of shit decisions by Scots. 

You know what the funny thing is Neil. You regularly accuse me of not addressing issues. But you have not addressed one single issue that I have raised. 

You have deflected. You have ignored. You have mis-represented.

The sad thing is that you think you are so clever.

 

[mcshed]

6 hours ago, LJS said:

And guess what. According to most polls, they'll be lucky to get 3% of the vote.

Imagine if Ukip/brexit party has that level of support in England. Oh wait. They had up to 10 times that support.

I would suggest Alba's struggles are something more to do with the fact the leader was recently in court on rape charges and whilst not convicted the actions he did admit to definitely cross the line in most people's eyes. 

Also whilst UKIP where certainly much more popular than Alba is, since they launched Alba average 3.25% so I wouldn't call that "lucky to get 3%" and UKIP where never regularly 10 times that. Your point is solid enough you don't need to exaggerate.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, mcshed said:

I would suggest Alba's struggles are something more to do with the fact the leader was recently in court on rape charges and whilst not convicted the actions he did admit to definitely cross the line in most people's eyes. 

Also whilst UKIP where certainly much more popular than Alba is, since they launched Alba average 3.25% so I wouldn't call that "lucky to get 3%" and UKIP where never regularly 10 times that. Your point is solid enough you don't need to exaggerate.

Vote sex offender it shows Scotts as ready to take on the responsibility running the country. 

[eFestivals]

Sturgeon talking contradictory bollocks on radio four right now plus a few lies indy can only be won with lies 

[eFestivals]

Was that the sound of crashing cars I just hserd. 

[eFestivals]

8 hours ago, LJS said:

You know what the funny thing is Neil. You regularly accuse me of not addressing issues. But you have not addressed one single issue that I have raised. 

You have deflected. You have ignored. You have mis-represented.

The sad thing is that you think you are so clever.

 

It's not so easy to address lots of points on a phone if I did and fucked it up you'd just get stupid and pathetic again.ive addressed stuff which you've ignored and re inmagined.

 

Not sure what you think I've ignored but will check back in it a bit later when on my laptop.

[eFestivals]

11 hours ago, LJS said:

It's chairman & CEO are English (nothing wrong with that but the way)

theres a lot wrong with your claims of civic nationalism with that unless you know for certain they commnte daily from england.

 

11 hours ago, LJS said:

& it is nearly 60% owned by the UK government. So who are these Scots who are running it?

the people who live in scotland who work for the bank. those huge offices and the branches ARE not staffed by daily commutors from england are they??

11 hours ago, LJS said:

If that comes true, you will be right.

I do not believe that will come true.

alogside natwest heading south is sturgeon saying she'll ditch 30,000,000 of the best and most secure jobs  in scotland.so you agree that the leader of indy is lying about indy.

11 hours ago, LJS said:

What Scots am I othering?

the one working for natwewest who you've said are not scottish.

 

 

11 hours ago, LJS said:

In which case we will be able to tell them where to affix their brass plaques. So, problem solved.

 

so politicians making decisions for a commercial bank that won't work out well.

 

11 hours ago, LJS said:

Well, it's a nice thought. NatWest now makes a profit. And I think a 60% share in it is pretty valuable. But if rUK wants to give it to us as a leaving present, I'm sure we would take it.

not give or a present you lways have to mis represent.

there will be assests to split and some will more logically be owned by one side than the other. a scottish bank is more logically owned by scotland so thats where its more likely to end up.

11 hours ago, LJS said:

There is hatred of England in Scotland.

the indy campaign relies on it.

11 hours ago, LJS said:

 

There is hatred of Scotland in England.

 

dislike of particular attitudes. its scots who have fucked up scottish education but you wanted to suggest the tories would have fucked it up as bad. just on the basis of yur predjudiceses

11 hours ago, LJS said:

 

There is hatred of England in England. There is hatred of Scotland in Scotland. Etc etc etc.

Hatred of the English in Scotland is clearly not a major issue, otherwise there would not be 50,000 of you English bastards moving here every year.

same back at you for all the scots in England which Nats blame England for and never those scots who freely choose to head south

 

10 hours ago, LJS said:

You know what the funny thing is Neil. You regularly accuse me of not addressing issues. But you have not addressed one single issue that I have raised. 

You have deflected. You have ignored. You have mis-represented.

The sad thing is that you think you are so clever.

 

no deflectio no ignored, nothing mis represented. apart from your standard claims about civic nationalism not being the nasty sort of nationalism. you went straight for the nasty because people who run a bank know what is necessary to keep being able to run that bank which flags up issues of indy.

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Sturgeon talking contradictory bollocks on radio four right now plus a few lies indy can only be won with lies 

sturgeon saying iscotland within the EU won't stick to eu rules.  what great europeans scotland plans to be, which is why the ndy campaign has to do 

On 4/29/2021 at 6:27 AM, eFestivals said:

 

Desperate

[eFestivals]

I wonder if sturgeon will take on board her new mandate to shut the fuck up about Indy orvifcshell be like trump about it.

[LJS]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

I wonder if sturgeon will take on board her new mandate to shut the fuck up about Indy orvifcshell be like trump about it.

The thing about mandates is, it's hard to know what mandate you have or don't have until you know the result of the election.

As we do not know the result of the election yet, I am unable to answer your question.

Once we have the full results, I shall, of course, be glad to share my wisdom with you.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I am pleased that on the figures I have seen, it looks though the Alba Party will not be pestering anyone as they appear to be heading for less than 2%.

Interesting result from Shetland who, according to you, hate Indy where SNP "won" the list vote.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

 

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, LJS said:

The thing about mandates is, it's hard to know what mandate you have or don't have until you know the result of the election.

As we do not know the result of the election yet, I am unable to answer your question.

We know she's not got the mandate she was hoping for. In order to bang on about an indyref constantly and we also know what she said about spaffer on the basis of her over optimistic hopes so if she doesn't shut upp about indy she'll be the one being like tump

2 minutes ago, LJS said:

Once we have the full results, I shall, of course, be glad to share my wisdom with you.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

I am pleased that on the figures I have seen, it looks though the Alba Party will not be pestering anyone as they appear to be heading for less than 2%.

Interesting result from Shetland who, according to you, hate Indy where SNP "won" the list vote.🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿

 

Youre pleased not to be the country of sex pests. 

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

We know she's not got the mandate she was hoping for. In order to bang on about an indyref constantly and we also know what she said about spaffer on the basis of her over optimistic hopes

What did she say about Johnson?

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

so if she doesn't shut upp about indy she'll be the one being like tump

Youre pleased not to be the country of sex pests. 

I'm quite sure we are no more free of sex pest than any other country.

But I am gratified that Mr. Salmond's rather grubby ego trip appears to have fallen on its arse.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

What did she say about Johnson?

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/24/ignoring-the-will-of-the-scots-would-be-an-act-worthy-of-trump?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

 

Ignoring that Scots don't want her to have that mandate would be an act worthy of trump

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

I'm quite sure we are no more free of sex pest than any other country.

You have the same number as yesterday tho it's clear one isn't lauded while still being a bug favourite that many aew happy to put trust in which is as bad onto Scotland  as any English votes for spaffer. 

3 minutes ago, LJS said:

But I am gratified that Mr. Salmond's rather grubby ego trip appears to have fallen on its arse.

Indy ids an ego trip its about a different elite getting elevated to more power. 

[LJS]

14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/apr/24/ignoring-the-will-of-the-scots-would-be-an-act-worthy-of-trump?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other

Thanks for the link. As I say, I will respond later on once we know the result of the election.

14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Ignoring that Scots don't want her to have that mandate would be an act worthy of trump

You have the same number as yesterday 

Sadly, we can't make sex pests disappear through the ballot box.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

Thanks for the link. As I say, I will respond later on once we know the result of the election.

Sadly, we can't make sex pests disappear through the ballot box.

Vote for better politicians you get what you vote for the granny killer and the sex pest.