The Dirty Independence Question

[eFestivals]

30 minutes ago, LJS said:

Look, I've made my position clear. I want the best people possible doing the most important jobs

When indyists vote for known lists you're not going to get that. As honest as spaffer.

30 minutes ago, LJS said:

 

 

 

I have seen absolutely no evidence that Kate Forbes has crossed any of these lines. 

I really have nothing more to add.

 

 

[pink_triangle]

29 minutes ago, LJS said:

Look, I've made my position clear. I want the best people possible doing the most important jobs. There are clearly some lines they shouldn't cross.

I have seen absolutely no evidence that Kate Forbes has crossed any of these lines. 

I really have nothing more to add.

 

She cant cross the line because she won't answer questions. Gay people have spent years being discriminated against and they deserve our politicians to be willing to stand up and proudly state they deserve equal rights to straight people. You are effectively endorsing the type of political fudging you have criticized others in the past.

You are a decent bloke who I imagine feels as strongly as me about equality and if Forbes was a tory you would back me up 100 percent for my criticism of her stance.  There would be no talk about religious freedom or best people for the job. As usual when it comes to an SNP loyalist you turn a blind eye. 

[LJS]

13 hours ago, eFestivals said:

I wonder if sturgeon will take on board her new mandate to shut the fuck up about Indy orvifcshell be like trump about it.

So, I promised to answer you once we had the results of the election. I'll be brief as you will disagree with me and there is no point in me wasting any time trying to persuade you that you are misguided.

There is a clear mandate in the Scottish Parliament to pursue a second Indyref. with 72 out of the 129 MSPs elected on a clear mandate to hold a second Indyref. I guess some folk will start quoting vote %s. I will simply point out that the SNP won with a higher share of the vote than any UK government since 1959.

Of course, you will claim that its not up to Scotland & Mr Johnson has mandate to tell us to GTF.

The problem here is that we have long been promised that the UK is a "partnership of equals." if that's true, there has to a way for the partners to leave and the Tories steadfastly refuse to enter into any discussion as to what the legal route to a second referendum should be for Scotland. There is a clear danger that if Johnson continues to say No No No, he simply increases support for Independence.

I think the Trump comparisons can work both ways.

Overall I am pleased that we have an SNP representation just short of a majority with an increased Green cohort to lend support for Indyref2 and push the SNP to be a wee bit more radical.

 

[pink_triangle]

55 minutes ago, LJS said:

So, I promised to answer you once we had the results of the election. I'll be brief as you will disagree with me and there is no point in me wasting any time trying to persuade you that you are misguided.

There is a clear mandate in the Scottish Parliament to pursue a second Indyref. with 72 out of the 129 MSPs elected on a clear mandate to hold a second Indyref. I guess some folk will start quoting vote %s. I will simply point out that the SNP won with a higher share of the vote than any UK government since 1959.

Of course, you will claim that its not up to Scotland & Mr Johnson has mandate to tell us to GTF.

The problem here is that we have long been promised that the UK is a "partnership of equals." if that's true, there has to a way for the partners to leave and the Tories steadfastly refuse to enter into any discussion as to what the legal route to a second referendum should be for Scotland. There is a clear danger that if Johnson continues to say No No No, he simply increases support for Independence.

I think the Trump comparisons can work both ways.

Overall I am pleased that we have an SNP representation just short of a majority with an increased Green cohort to lend support for Indyref2 and push the SNP to be a wee bit more radical.

 

LJS anything beyond FPTP scrambles my brain when it come to maths. Did the majority of the electorate vote for or against parties advocating a referendum?

[LJS]

9 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

LJS anything beyond FPTP scrambles my brain when it come to maths. Did the majority of the electorate vote for or against parties advocating a referendum?

Yeah- its not quite that simple  - we each have 2 votes in the Scottish elections a constituency vote & a list vote

Just to confuse matters further, the list vote contains all sorts of odds & sodds (the Ballot paper in Glasgow was 24" long!!) and some of these odds & sods won't have a position on a referendum so just because 50.1% support indyref2 doesn't necessarily mean 49.9% oppose it. 

Sadly Prof JC did not supply that info.

 

 

 

 

 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

So, I promised to answer you once we had the results of the election. I'll be brief as you will disagree with me and there is no point in me wasting any time trying to persuade you that you are misguided.

There is a clear mandate in the Scottish Parliament to pursue a second Indyref. with 72 out of the 129 MSPs elected on a clear mandate to hold a second Indyref. I guess some folk will start quoting vote %s. I will simply point out that the SNP won with a higher share of the vote than any UK government since 1959.

Of course, you will claim that its not up to Scotland & Mr Johnson has mandate to tell us to GTF.

The problem here is that we have long been promised that the UK is a "partnership of equals." if that's true, there has to a way for the partners to leave and the Tories steadfastly refuse to enter into any discussion as to what the legal route to a second referendum should be for Scotland. There is a clear danger that if Johnson continues to say No No No, he simply increases support for Independence.

I think the Trump comparisons can work both ways.

Overall I am pleased that we have an SNP representation just short of a majority with an increased Green cohort to lend support for Indyref2 and push the SNP to be a wee bit more radical.

 

Just seen surgeon talking about democracy, while forgetting the democracy she's just won with is defined in law laws which sets limits to what her position has authority for democracy isn't what she makes up to suit herself at an opportune moment but what was properly cosidered and defined with limits. Just because she got a lot of vote for a particular policy platform doesn't give her the right to enact that.... Just think how you'd think it was wrong for it to work like that for some heinous policy positions you only find her definition of what is democracy acceptable because you agree with it.

On the same basis spaffer has a mandate to deny a ref. Here's betting you don't credit that in the same way.

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 

On the same basis spaffer has a mandate to deny a ref. Here's betting you don't credit that in the same way.

I've already addressed that...read my last post.

I am confident that we will continue to disagree on this.

[eFestivals]

Just now, LJS said:

I've already addressed that...read my last post.

I am confident that we will continue to disagree on this.

If the UK is a partnership of equals do you respect the right for the rest of the UK to expel Scotland against its will.

[LJS]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

If the UK is a partnership of equals do you respect the right for the rest of the UK to expel Scotland against its will.

As long as we can keep the LP's

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

As long as we can keep the LP's

Is that letcherous pests they're yours with the support of over 80000 of your countrymen.

[LJS]

 

 

[LJS]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Is that letcherous pests they're yours with the support of over 80000 of your countrymen.

I'm sure you understand our election system, so you will be well aware that only the electors of the North East of Scotland had the opportunity to elect Mr  Salmond. I can't be arsed checking the numbers but I'd guess about 15,000 max.

Edited May 8, 2021 by LJS

[eFestivals]

Just now, LJS said:

 

 

Funny how indyists suddenly like reality let's see how much they like it when it comes to a campaign. Didn't like the reality of removing yourself from the EU last time. It'll be interesting to see how little commitment there'll be to join the EU when it comes to an Indy campaign gseeing how that's been given as the justification for another Indyref.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

I'm sure you understand our election system, so you will be well aware that only the electors of the North East of Scotland had the opportunity to elect Mr  Salmond. I can't be arsed checking the numbers but I'd guess about 15,000 max.

Over8,0000 voted for him the only understanding of the electoral system that's needed is to count the votes he got.

Edited May 8, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

Just now, eFestivals said:

Over8,0000 voted for him.

Rubbish. If they had, he would now be an msp.

[eFestivals]

Just now, LJS said:

Rubbish. If they had, he would now be an msp.

Not rubbish that was the numbers I saw reported.

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Not rubbish that was the numbers I saw reported.

That will be the total votes for the Alibaba party over all 8 regions.  Only those casting their votes in the north east of Scotland had the opportunity to elect Mr. Salmond. I, for example, had no such opportunity.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, LJS said:

That will be the total votes for the Alibaba party over all 8 regions. 

Embarrassing for you.

6 minutes ago, LJS said:

7 minutes ago, LJS said:

Only those casting their votes in the north east of Scotland had the opportunity to elect Mr. Salmond. I, for example, had no such opportunity.

Would have been more embarrassing if everyone had the chance to give him their vote

 

[LJS]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

Embarrassing for you.

 

I can assure you I'm not embarrassed in the slightest. I'm a wee bit disappointed that a few misguided folk voted for Mr. Salmond's raggle taggle band.

I don't imagine many of them were doing it with the intention of endorsing sex pestery.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, LJS said:

I can assure you I'm not embarrassed in the slightest. I'm a wee bit disappointed that a few misguided folk voted for Mr. Salmond's raggle taggle band.

I don't imagine many of them were doing it with the intention of endorsing sex pestery.

It is an endorsement of sex pestery. And you were the one not long ago moaning about the quality of politicians. You get what you vote for? There's no quality in s anadmitted sex pest salmondand Grady

[LJS]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

It is an endorsement of sex pestery. And you were the one not long ago moaning about the quality of politicians. You get what you vote for? There's no quality in s anadmitted sex pest salmondand Grady

You're boring me.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, LJS said:

You're boring me.

You and your cohorts are endorsing sex pestery.

[eFestivals]

I've just realised that the SNP is being bested by gavin Williamson...the Shane of it.

Edited May 8, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

10 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I've just realised that the SNP is being bested by gavin Williamson...the Shane of it.

No sorry, I have no idea what you are on about, Neil.

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

No sorry, I have no idea what you are on about, Neil.

He's not fucking up education as much as sturgeon and co are.