The Dirty Independence Question

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, mcshed said:

*Citation needed.

True inndyref2, is the constitutionally debate before everything else for the next ten and more years too... Ten years Coos Scotland won't get to join the EU in less than ten. 

[LJS]

37 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

There's been a few full on riots near me when similar has happened Bristol rocks much more

Glad to hear it. There was me not trying to score points.

37 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

 and England has a a lower hate crime murder rate than Scotland. 

https://theferret.scot/scotland-race-related-murders/

Not sure if this is what you are referring to? If it is it broadly backs up your claim though I would suggest with less than 1 murder per year, the numbers are rather low to extrapolating trends from them. They also cover the period from 2000-2013 so are well out of date.

I condemn racism wherever I see it as, I have no doubt, do you.

[Tartan_Glasto]

It's one thing being anti-IndyRef2, everyone's got their opinions on it. 

However, some comments are close to being anti-Scottish whish isn't cool. 

[eFestivals]

On 5/14/2021 at 11:10 AM, Tartan_Glasto said:

It's one thing being anti-IndyRef2, everyone's got their opinions on it. 

However, some comments are close to being anti-Scottish whish isn't cool. 

My comments are anti bullshit.indy is taking its lead from farage and brexitlie big and don't care about the consequences. I'm sorry that you want to feel victimised by lies being called out as lies you'll feel proper victimised if the lies are allowed to stand and Indy wins.

Edited May 15, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

33 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

My comments are anti bullshit.

Does it ever occur to you how odd it is that everyone who holds a different view from yours is talking bullshit?

33 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

indy is taking its lead from farage and brexitlie big and don't care about the consequences.

I think you'll find the independence campaign predates brexit by a couple of years. As far as I am aware time travel is not something we claim is possible in an independent Scotland.

33 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'm sorry that you want to feel victimised by lies being called out as lies you'll feel proper victimised if the lies are allowed to stand and Indy wins.

I didn't see anyone claiming to be victimised.

But then, when you talk about lies, it is of course tough for those campaigning for independence when we are opposed by a UK government which holds upholding truth and justice & integrity to be it's sacred duty.

 

[eFestivals]

15 hours ago, LJS said:

Does it ever occur to you how odd it is that everyone who holds a different view from yours is talking bullshit?

 

The whole indy campaign claimed salmond wasn't talking bullshit with the oil revenues he claimed in the white paper last time reality proves he was talking bullshit. 

Indy requires bullshit because the truth is too inconvenient

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I think you'll find the independence campaign predates brexit by a couple of years. As far as I am aware time travel is not something we claim is possible in an independent Scotland.

They both used the same angle of rubbishing takes which used the facts to arrive at a conclusion. You couldn't get a fag paper between the methods. If farge was a dangerous liar trying to convince people of something against their interests then so is the indy campaign. 

 

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I didn't see anyone claiming to be victimised.

See that last post. Words against indy are words against Scotland 

 

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But then, when you talk about lies, it is of course tough for those campaigning for independence when we are opposed by a UK government which holds upholding truth and justice & integrity to be it's sacred duty.

 

It has the integrity to treat Scotland equally while you don't have the integrity to recognise that it does. As shown by your frequent statements. If it wanted to treat Scotland unfairly it could do a much better job. Particularly as its so evil and so anti Scotland. 

Edited May 16, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

15 hours ago, LJS said:

Does it ever occur to you how odd it is that everyone who holds a different view from yours is talking bullshit?

I think you'll find the independence campaign predates brexit by a couple of years. As far as I am aware time travel is not something we claim is possible in an independent Scotland.

I didn't see anyone claiming to be victimised.

But then, when you talk about lies, it is of course tough for those campaigning for independence when we are opposed by a UK government which holds upholding truth and justice & integrity to be it's sacred duty.

 

If you want the Indy campaign to have respect there needs to be a reason to respect it.ive still not seen any indyists admit that salmond tried to win Indy with a huge lie which would have badly hurt the people of scotland.when indyists can face the truth about Indy it'll start to be worthy of respect.

[Hugh Jass]

Sorry, wrong thread!

 

Edited May 16, 2021 by Hugh Jass

[Tartan_Glasto]

On 5/15/2021 at 7:57 PM, eFestivals said:

My comments are anti bullshit.indy is taking its lead from farage and brexitlie big and don't care about the consequences. I'm sorry that you want to feel victimised by lies being called out as lies you'll feel proper victimised if the lies are allowed to stand and Indy wins.

Neither in this thread, or any other thread in this forum have I given any indication of what my political stance is. However, just so it is perfectly clear, I voted against independence in the 2014 referendum. With that out the way, not that it has anything to do with what I said, no mention or even suggestion was made towards feeling victimised.

So to make things less ambiguous, I was merely stating that there are ways to share a point of view without being a dick about it.

[eFestivals]

12 hours ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

Neither in this thread, or any other thread in this forum have I given any indication of what my political stance is. However, just so it is perfectly clear, I voted against independence in the 2014 referendum. With that out the way, not that it has anything to do with what I said, no mention or even suggestion was made towards feeling victimised.

 

You said you felt some comments were anti Scottish. They're simply calling out the busshit within the Scottish indy campaign.. As you're feeling those are anti Scottish you're obviously feeling victimised by som hard truths. 

 

12 hours ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

So to make things less ambiguous, I was merely stating that there are ways to share a point of view without being a dick about it.

Tell that to the indy supporters who in aces other than here have to give as justification how the English are mean and nasty to Scotland or as said here how the union isn't equal if England wanted to abuse Scotland by being unequal it could do it a lot better. Than anything which happens in reality. 

[Tartan_Glasto]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

 

You said you felt some comments were anti Scottish. They're simply calling out the busshit within the Scottish indy campaign.. As you're feeling those are anti Scottish you're obviously feeling victimised by som hard truths. 

 

Tell that to the indy supporters who in aces other than here have to give as justification how the English are mean and nasty to Scotland or as said here how the union isn't equal if England wanted to abuse Scotland by being unequal it could do it a lot better. Than anything which happens in reality. 

I can assure you that I do not feel victimised. I was just calling it as I see it. 

However, it's your forum so I guess you get to speak out and not be challenged on the way you go about speaking to others. 

I bid you fairwell. As a grown man I am not about to be drawn into an online argument. 

 

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

I can assure you that I do not feel victimised. I was just calling it as I see it. 

However, it's your forum so I guess you get to speak out and not be challenged on the way you go about speaking to others. 

I bid you fairwell. As a grown man I am not about to be drawn into an online argument. 

 

You're allowed call it as you see it I think I'm allowed to do that too nowt to do with my forum. If anything being my forum has me holding back from saying it as I see it. 

I saw the lies in the last white paper I didn't see indyists calling out those lies happy to go along with the them to get their preferred outcome at the expense of the people of Scotland 

[mcshed]

13 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

has me holding back

Ha ha ha!

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Ha ha ha!

I should call more people c**ts

[LJS]

3 hours ago, eFestivals said:

I should call more people c**ts

I see those bloody flag waving nationalists were out again at the weekend.

Now that's what I call C**ts

[mcshed]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

I see those bloody flag waving nationalists were out again at the weekend.

Now that's what I call C**ts

Can we in Edinburgh secede from Indy Scotland to be rid of both cheeks of the sectarian arse that is Glaswegian football?

[eFestivals]

4 hours ago, LJS said:

I see those bloody flag waving nationalists were out again at the weekend.

Now that's what I call C**ts

There's a lot of flag shaggers in Scotland on both sides

[LJS]

4 hours ago, mcshed said:

Can we in Edinburgh secede from Indy Scotland to be rid of both cheeks of the sectarian arse that is Glaswegian football?

I suspect this is a subject that unites us. However, as I sure you are aware, there are fans of the Old firm the length and breadth of Scotland - even in Auld Reekie. So you can secede as much as you want but you will still have their fans amongst you - indeed I'm sure many of the chaps partying in George Square on Saturday would be dancing down the Loyal Mile celebrating your loyalty to the Queen and the Union and your rejection of the evil Sturgeonistas.

Funnily enough, when the SNP government actually tried to do something about the vile sectarianism, the other parties all united to defeat them and thereby give licence to the bigots.

 

[LJS]

I was going to add that I hope they both go and play in England... Until I realised that would finally give Neil evidence for his claim that I hate the English.

[mcshed]

6 hours ago, LJS said:

I suspect this is a subject that unites us. However, as I sure you are aware, there are fans of the Old firm the length and breadth of Scotland - even in Auld Reekie. So you can secede as much as you want but you will still have their fans amongst you - indeed I'm sure many of the chaps partying in George Square on Saturday would be dancing down the Loyal Mile celebrating your loyalty to the Queen and the Union and your rejection of the evil Sturgeonistas.

Funnily enough, when the SNP government actually tried to do something about the vile sectarianism, the other parties all united to defeat them and thereby give licence to the bigots.

 

There is a difference between there being some obnoxious fans, and the which are you? culture that permeates the West of Scotland. Even growing up in Stirling the sectarian divide was significantly worse than it is through here in Edinburgh. 

[eFestivals]

On 5/18/2021 at 12:25 AM, LJS said:

I was going to add that I hope they both go and play in England... Until I realised that would finally give Neil evidence for his claim that I hate the English.

We don't want scotlsands sectarianism England has many problems religioustribalismisntone of them. 

[eFestivals]

On 5/18/2021 at 12:25 AM, LJS said:

I was going to add that I hope they both go and play in England... Until I realised that would finally give Neil evidence for his claim that I hate the English.

I read a lot of comment from indy supporters it's clear that hatred of England is a major part of what drives indy. Nationalism driven by hatred like that is the nasty type of nationalism. 

[LJS]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

I read a lot of comment from indy supporters it's clear that hatred of England is a major part of what drives indy. Nationalism driven by hatred like that is the nasty type of nationalism. 

Yeah. So you keep saying. 

 

It's still bollocks.

[eFestivals]

7 hours ago, LJS said:

Yeah. So you keep saying. 

 

It's still bollocks.

Are you claiming to have never encountered those views from Indy supporters? I'd reckon. A yes to my question would be bollocks!

[LJS]

3 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Are you claiming to have never encountered those views from Indy supporters? I'd reckon. A yes to my question would be bollocks!

No of course not. If you go looking in the sewers, you will find rats. 

Just out of interest, where is it you are reading these comments?