The Dirty Independence Question

[LJS]

15 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Repeating isn't moving on having the same no answers to the same issues isn't moving on

 

Gotta pretend that one as it pretends away one of the most blatant lies.

Liar.

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, LJS said:

Liar.

Yes sturgeon and salmond were liars

[eFestivals]

35 minutes ago, LJS said:

Liar.

Thats the whole indy campaign and most indy supporters 

[eFestivals]

Macron says that scotland with its Highlands and Islands isnt the same as a unitary state like France. 

Anyone with half a brain says that France with its remote departments all round the globe isn't the same as a unitary state like Italy. 

[eFestivals]

I see Scotland has given up on the covid cautious and is having a fanzine for the footy not very reckless tho everyone knows it won't be open for very long.

[eFestivals]

World cup final tomorrow.. just leave our goalposts alone this time and please buy your own.

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

World cup final tomorrow.. just leave our goalposts alone this time and please buy your own.

OK, just don't drag us out the Euros against our will.

🙂

 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

OK, just don't drag us out the Euros against our will.

🙂

 

It'll be against your skill.

[LJS]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

It'll be against your skill.

I expect we'll beat England, lose to Croatia and go out on goal difference.

[LJS]

4 hours ago, eFestivals said:

World cup final tomorrow.. just leave our goalposts alone this time and please buy your own.

I'm sure the goalposts will be fine. 

 

You will no doubt have moved them 🙂

 

[eFestivals]

7 hours ago, LJS said:

I'm sure the goalposts will be fine. 

They weren't that time thi ref tg odd years ago

 

7 hours ago, LJS said:

 

You will no doubt have moved them 🙂

 

It was the Scots that moved the goal posts back then When they nicked them.

[eFestivals]

The union must be shit if after 300 "years of the union Scotland can't beat England at footie. 😢

[LJS]

3 hours ago, eFestivals said:

The union must be shit if after 300 "years of the union Scotland can't beat England at footie. 😢

The union must be shit if after 300 "years of the union England can't beat Scotland at footie.

[eFestivals]

On 6/14/2021 at 7:28 AM, eFestivals said:

I see Scotland has given up on the covid cautious and is having a fanzine for the footy not very reckless tho everyone knows it won't be open for very long.

The more covid cautious Scots think that measures to infect around 2,000 of their countrymen make them better than the Tories.

[LJS]

On 6/14/2021 at 7:28 AM, eFestivals said:

I see Scotland has given up on the covid cautious and is having a fanzine for the footy not very reckless tho everyone knows it won't be open for very long.

 

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

The more covid cautious Scots think that measures to infect around 2,000 of their countrymen make them better than the Tories.

Quote

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-57667163

 

 

[eFestivals]

The union is rubbish cos England might win the euros but Scotland won't.

 Also proven by Latvia not winning it as it has a similar population to Scotland.

[LJS]

3 hours ago, eFestivals said:

The union is rubbish.

True.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, LJS said:

True.

I was pointing out that snippers critcisms are rubbish. Failing to hit a high level of achievement isn't a failing of the union its a failing of snipper's perspective.

[LJS]

37 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I was pointing out that snippers critcisms are rubbish. Failing to hit a high level of achievement isn't a failing of the union its a failing of snipper's perspective.

I agree, if they are basing their arguments on Scotland's relative lack of success on the football pitch. I don't know anyone who is seriously doing that.

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, LJS said:

I agree, if they are basing their arguments on Scotland's relative lack of success on the football pitch. I don't know anyone who is seriously doing that.

You do know somone who bsed their argument on Scotland needing economic support from  England in order to perform at England's level. 

[eFestivals]

I see that things are moving slowly, very very slowly towards another indy ref,  so slowly Its almost like the indy campaign knows its not an easy win and ~I also see that the want of indy is strongly defined by Scots from the English rather than something to have on its own basis, with Spaffer being given as the reason why its so important to happen.

the polls suggest indy  is getting less wanted too.

 

Edited August 20, 2021 by eFestivals

[LJS]

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

I see that things are moving slowly, very very slowly towards another indy ref, 

https://www.holyrood.com/news/view,nicola-sturgeon-the-realities-of-covid-will-guide-independence-referendum-timetable

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

so slowly Its almost like the indy campaign knows its not an easy win and

i woudl certainly hope they know its not an easy win  - there is no place for complacency.

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

~I also see that the want of indy is strongly defined by Scots from the English

who else should we be seeking independence from? the Spanish? the Martians?

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

rather than something to have on its own basis,

In order to have independence "on its own basis", we need to leave the UK (or England as you prefer to call it)

 

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

with Spaffer being given as the reason why its so important to happen.

Mr Johnson is only the latest in a long line of examples of why being ruled by a Westminster government we didn't vote for is not working for Scotland. 

1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

the polls suggest indy  is getting less wanted too.

 

The polls go up and the polls go down. As you have pointed out, there has not been a lot of focus on Indy from the Scottish Government lately (in spite of them being constantly accused of being obsessed with it!) which may explain the small drop in support in recent polls.

Maybe once it is back on the agenda, support will rise again?

Meanwhile, in real news, I am delighted that we will apparently be the first part of the UK with Green representation in government.

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, LJS said:

who else should we be seeking independence from? the Spanish? the Martians?

thats not what i mean, its not indy cos you want indy its indy because of something about the English, just as after indy the success of indy will be measured against England. has Scotland performed as well as England?

why cant enough people in Scotland  want indy because of Scotland, and measure its success against what Scotland might deliver

 

11 minutes ago, LJS said:

In order to have independence "on its own basis", we need to leave the UK (or England as you prefer to call it)

 

Mr Johnson is only the latest in a long line of examples of why being ruled by a Westminster government we didn't vote for is not working for Scotland. 

The polls go up and the polls go down. As you have pointed out, there has not been a lot of focus on Indy from the Scottish Government lately (in spite of them being constantly accused of being obsessed with it!) which may explain the small drop in support in recent polls.

Maybe once it is back on the agenda, support will rise again?

Meanwhile, in real news, I am delighted that we will apparently be the first part of the UK with Green representation in government.

 

[eFestivals]

15 minutes ago, LJS said:

Meanwhile, in real news, I am delighted that we will apparently be the first part of the UK with Green representation in government.

 i love the rewriting of history to ignore the green's having been the SNP's lacky's for the last decade!

[eFestivals]

yoiu've given a great example of what i was meaning, that Scotland needs to have indy now, at a time when Scots  loathe the  English PM  particularlystrongly,  but England might stop Scotland wanting indie, by changing govt (which happens on a regular basis to one less loathed by Scots, it would be a sad state of affairs if Scotland goes indy due to a temporary short-term thing in England.Scots don't find all Westminster govts as bad as this one!