The Dirty Independence Question

[steviewevie]

33 minutes ago, Neil said:

for sturgeon's consistency, she should have the English voting too. Scotland can only leave if the whole UK votes Scotland out.

errr...yeah...ok..

[Neil]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

errr...yeah...ok..

sturgeon:"the uk can only leave the eu if each uk nation votes leave".

scotland can only leave the uk if each uk nation votes bye-bye.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

 

He is right...

The power lies with the elected UK government because Scotland as as much my Country as nasty Nickys...  So it can't be taken away from me or anyone else without the democratic elected government allowing it. 

correct, westminster has to legislate.

[LJS]

Is that why the French & Spanish got to vote on Brexit?

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, Neil said:

sturgeon:"the uk can only leave the eu if each uk nation votes leave".

scotland can only leave the uk if each uk nation votes bye-bye.

maybe they should have had the brexit referendum over the whole eu then (and I wonder what the result would have been?!)

[steviewevie]

Just let them go. Then we can negotiate a protocol for the border.

[steviewevie]

58 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Are you just stupid or trolling ? 
 

says the stupid troll

[lost]

Indy even if the Scottish people reject it again.

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Ms Sturgeon yesterday set out her intention to hold a re-run of the 2014 vote on October 19 next year but there are question marks over whether that vote will go ahead, with the Supreme Court being asked to look at whether the Scottish Parliament can hold the ballot without the permission of the UK Government. 

The SNP leader said that if the referendum cannot proceed then she will treat the next general election as a "de facto" referendum. 

Her deputy suggested the First Minister could demand breakaway talks with Boris Johnson even if the SNP wins less than half the popular vote at the next general election. 

 

[LJS]

33 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its always been indy at all costs for them.  They are basically terrorists.  

😀

[lost]

36 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Its always been indy at all costs for them. 

On a wider point. The Scottish Indy vote, The Brexit referendum, Trump winning due to Russian interference, Biden winning due to rigged voting machines. Its not a great sign for democracy that nobody seems to be able to accept the result from a democratic vote anymore. Can't be good for society when everyone expects their own way all the time and doesn't care how it happens.

[Neil]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

Just let them go. Then we can negotiate a protocol for the border.

as long as nats realise they're voting for a border(they like to pretend there won't be one).

[LJS]

3 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Are you just stupid or trolling ? 

EU and UK are not comparable...  

The EU is a collection of sovereign states and the UK is a sovereign state.  

This is the problem - you don't understand the basics.

Anti indy folk are always comparing indy & Brexit. Guess that's ok when it suits their argument.

[Neil]

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. Oh, and there is Boris!! Best recruiting officer for Scottish independence since Robert de Bruce.

and yes still doesn't lead in the polls.

[Neil]

1 minute ago, LJS said:

Anti indy folk are always comparing indy & Brexit. Guess that's ok when it suits their argument.

indy is using the same line in bullshit.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Brexit is relevant in terms of trade deals and so on..

Utterly irrelevant in terms of constitutional issues..

I always thought you was informed - sadly clearly not

Scotland is a constituent country.

[steviewevie]

[Neil]

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However it is wrong to assume that because the Indy campaign gained a lot of ground during the  last campaign that the same thing will happen again.

Logically the higher the starting point the harder it will be to make incremental gains. If you have converted a of of the "soft" no voters the rest are harder to convert.

 

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Scotland only gets to do what the UK government lets it do...  You need to read up a little 🙂 

scotland only does what it has the stomach to do, can't do social justice now, won't do it when indy!!!!!!

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Scotland only gets to do what the UK government lets it do...  You need to read up a little 🙂 

yes which is why it wants out of the UK. It is still a constuent country that joined the union 300 odd years ago.

[LJS]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Scotland only gets to do what the UK government lets it do...  You need to read up a little 🙂 

Good summary of the case for Indy.

Thanks Barry

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

scotland only does what it has the stomach to do, can't do social justice now, won't do it when indy!!!!!!

I mean, this is the usual utter bilge...you have no idea how they will get on...there will likely be turmoil for a while, and then things will settle down and they will have their own politicial parties, not just the SNP, who will argue and fight over things like social justice.

[Neil]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I mean, this is the usual utter bilge...you have no idea how they will get on...there will likely be turmoil for a while, and then things will settle down and they will have their own politicial parties, not just the SNP, who will argue and fight over things like social justice.

social justice costs taxes there's a reason why you don't have it in Scotland at the mo at the choice of scots.

Edited June 29, 2022 by Neil

[Neil]

Just now, Barry Fish said:

Well they haven't done a great job with the powers given to them through devolution - thats that point.

they've done buger all, they've robbed social justice money to piss up the wall on pet projects.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Neil said:

they've done buger all, they've robbed social justice money to piss up the wall on pet projects.

yes, so SNP would maybe lose power over this...and someone else would take over...someone with nothing to do with any of the westminster based parties.

[Neil]

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, bad bad Westminster, denying a referendum less than 8 years since the last one. There should be referendums held every Friday until the Scottish people give the correct answer.