£26,000 Benefit Cap

[kaosmark2]

The thing with caring for people and creating works of arts is they are things you would see on a par with spending time with family and friends. They are the sort of things we enjoy to do.

When you come down to other sort of other "work"... It starts becoming the point where you say I am not doing that unless you pay me. Its part of the reason for the kick back at the Work Program.

There are very few things out there people would do for free. Caring for others and being creative are certainly some of them.

Anyone who thinks they are doing their jobs because they enjoy them only has to ask themselves if they would do that job for free to test that theory. I know my mother in law would be a nurse regardless of pay.

[eFestivals]

Its a shame you have to always abuse people. It cheapens you. Going to ignore you going forward.

it's never cheap or wrong to state a truth.

Just because you're too stupid to realise how stupid you are doesn't cheapen that comment or make it anything less of a truth.

After all, you've yet to show you're not unbelievably dumb by admitting your error the other day. You still believe it's you that has the grasp of economics and not everyone else who were telling you how stupidly wrong you were.

[kaosmark2]

Would you do them for free?

Do you have kids ? Would you prefer to spend time in those jobs over being with your family ?

To me any enjoyment out of work is an reluctant enjoyment... Its like yeah that was alright but only because we are starting from a low start point of having to be doing something I would rather not have to do... but hey, we have to put food on the table and pay our taxs to care for others...

[kaosmark2]

I was watching a programme about Venice the other night, and there were at least 2 people who were very happy with their jobs. One was a street cleaner, the other worked for the fire service.

I've had countless, what would by some be termed boring, jobs, that I was happy at.... warehouse work, building work, driving jobs... all enjoyable.

The only thing wrong with jobs like shelf stacking, is that they're badly paid.

[feral chile]

I'd work as a counsellor for free if I could afford to.

[eFestivals]

I get that a whore who purposely plans to sell themselves to the highest bidder and where nothing else comes into the consideration won't like their job.

Why is anyone surprised?

[Ed209]

I'd do scientific research for free as long as I'd got a roof over my head and a supply of half-decent food.

Edited March 9, 2012 by Ed209

[Ed209]

OK, sorry. I don't seperate satisfaction and enjoyment to quite the extent that you seem to do.

Substitute the word "satisfaction" for "enjoyment" in my last post, I still have the same sentiment and it now fits with this quote of yours

"Fact is I got into my game because I knew it was highly rewarded, I don't actually like my job."

[kaosmark2]

I get paid to do it, and it doesn't provide me with much more than that

Personally, I don't understand Barry's mentality. The thought of getting to the end of my life and looking back on it realising i spent the majority of my time on this planet doing something that I didn't enjoy terrifies me.

But fair play to you, Barry. If you're content with sacrificing satisfaction for money then that's cool. More fool me, maybe?

[bunique]

I worked in the 'care industry' and fucking hated my job. I'm currently a Complaints Officer and love my job! Do I love it more than spending time with my daughter? No, but that doesn't mean I'd want to give it up entirely.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

indeed... doing something satisfying is often what makes it enjoyable

[eFestivals]

it's wrong to pay benefit claimants all they need in their circumstances, but it's right to cut the 50% top tax rate because those taxpayers fiddle their taxes to avoid paying it.

Isn't it great that we have a govt of such high moral standing?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I am surprised that no one has raised the subject of some London councils wanting to send families all over the country to be housed.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-17821018

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/reality-check-with-polly-curtis/2012/apr/24/housing-housing-benefit?newsfeed=true

I read a comment by a tory saying that "As the housing benefit changes come into effect landlords will reduce their rents". FFS even I had to sit with my face in my palms.

[lost]

reported here:

Buy to Let landlords feeling the squeeze as rents now falling in real terms:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2133993/Landlords-hit-tenants-struggle-rent-rises-slow-2-7.html

[eFestivals]

these are the exact issues that were reported as going to happen, but which the tories said wouldn't happen.

It might be true that rents will reduce over time, but in the meantime real people are having their lives fucked about with only because they're the guinea pigs in Dave Moron's experiment.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

reported here:

Buy to Let landlords feeling the squeeze as rents now falling in real terms:

http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/mortgageshome/article-2133993/Landlords-hit-tenants-struggle-rent-rises-slow-2-7.html

[russycarps]

there are still plenty of affordable parts of london, people just would prefer not to live there...(eg willesden etc)

*casts fishing line in direction of tonyblair*

[lost]

if we discount cost for a moment, are there physically enough multiroom properties in say kensington and chelsea or camden for everyone who wants one to get one?

[LondonTom]

You don't just get to cherry pick where you want to live... If you can't afford the area you look elsewhere... Nothing to do with a sense of community... Its simple numbers...

Edited April 26, 2012 by LondonTom

[eFestivals]

You don't just get to cherry pick where you want to live... If you can't afford the area you look elsewhere... Nothing to do with a sense of community... Its simple numbers...

Yep, that's the simple numbers on the claimants side.

But there's another side - the govts - with its own costs, which Eric Pickles says it gets to mean that there's zero saving for the govt by forcing people to move.

So all in all it's a stupid policy which saves the govt or taxpayer no money, while having a further cost to society by the damage that is done to communities and towards a person's respect towards the govt.

Simple answers use simple numbers and are applied by simple minded people to impress similarly simple-minded people. It's a shame the govt aren't doing something useful instead.

[russycarps]

Barry!

Think of your profile rating!

[Rufus Gwertigan]

So what ? ffs...

I have moved five times... Its not the end of the world...

[eFestivals]

I am relating... I just don't care or think its that big of a deal...

you've moved via your own choice to get more of what you want.

These people are being moved against their will, to have less of what they want.

More than that, for those that are wanting a job (I accept its not all of them) their chances of getting a job will be reduced by being moved.

It's hardly the same thing, is it?

[eFestivals]

Wrong... I moved because I couldn't afford to stay there... We downsized in a whole new town...

What you mean is that you downsized and got more of what you wanted (spare cash, or lesser debts being run up) as a return benefit of that.

For someone on benefits there is no payback for them for their move.

The other four times where for work... So I won't accept it what I wanted to do... but I need money to survive...

You could have got a job in your local tesco. What you really mean is that you wanted more money with which to survive better.

So in both cases you got to benefit. Just because they weren't your ideal-world choices doesn't mean there was no positive benefit to you.

There are no such things for those on benefit that are being forced to move. There are only negatives for their personal circumstances.

Edited April 26, 2012 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

It's pretty clear really. Barry has no friends or anyone else he associates with that likes him, so moving isn't too heartbreaking as everyone around thinks he's a c**t and was hoping he'd move anyway.