Tesco getting free workers

[kaosmark2]

then I'm not surprised that you want us to live in some North Korean hellhole...are you the reincarnation of Kim-Il Sung?

[abdoujaparov]

I hope the corrections help...

[abdoujaparov]

My current business is very viable... But it wouldn't be with an extra employee...

Training costs are real...

The inconvenient nature of training is real...

But hey... Im not really bothered... I can carry on as is very happily...

[kaosmark2]

For the record, I didn't intend for this to be just another thread showing Barry to be a tit.

I'm just amazed that the government has got away with this so far. Hopefully there'll be pressured into stopping it, but I doubt it.

[abdoujaparov]

My point was... I saw it as helping out... and not treating someone like a slave...

[Rufus Gwertigan]

????

Employers National insurance on a £12,000 salary would be £1572.92

Employees would be £437.16

http://www.lowtax.co...=65payroll.html

There are other calculators out there.

EDIT: I think I used the wrong tax code... Its actually even more if you use the usual tax code of 747L

http://www.nwpayroll.com/cgi-bin/payslip/checker.pl

[abdoujaparov]

For the record, I didn't intend for this to be just another thread showing Barry to be a tit.

[kaosmark2]

but you're not helping them, other than in the vague sense that some work experience might (and I stress might) be useful. You're paying them nothing. They're there becuase they're coerced to be there - help Barry or lose your benefit. By most definitions, that's tantamount to slavery

[kaosmark2]

I'm an optimistic kind of fellow, and I carry on in the belief that one day the penny will drop

[eFestivals]

Cant view your calculator on my phone but I thought employers contribution was set at 13.8% of income over 7072? I get a little over 680 quid

I can't remember how it's worked out, but I called his numbers wrong on the basis of looking in my accounts.

Bearing in mind it's Barry who gave those numbers, it's likely that they're wrong.

[eFestivals]

Have you got the faintest idea what they would be doing ?

If I took someone on I could expose them to all sorts of stuff... Project Management, Software Development, Database Development, Mobile Development, Software Design, Testing, Deployment...

12 months of doing that would be very useful to some surely ? Specially if they are straight out of college and can't find anything...

Yoiu're dead right of course. The answer is you.

You would profit from their work.

[eFestivals]

I just used the calc... Fair enough if I got it wrong...

The points remain the same though... ?

To you, I'm sure it does.

The point being:

1. you can afford 3 holidays for you and yours a year, but you can't afford £680.

2. you can boast about your joint income putting you in the top 10% of earners, but you can't afford £680.

3. you can say it's unfair that with your joint income of >£80k for you to lose child benefit but you can't afford £680.

Etc, etc, etc.

All for the good Church-going Christian (or not, he can't make up his mind) Barry, none for his fellow man.

Isn't it great what Christianity does for this county?

Edited February 17, 2012 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

To you, I'm sure it does.

The point being:

1. you can afford 3 holidays for you and yours a year, but you can't afford £680.

2. you can boast about your joint income putting you in the top 10% of earners, but you can't afford £680.

3. you can say it's unfair that with your joint income of >£80k for you to lose child benefit but you can't afford £680.

Etc, etc, etc.

All for the good Church-going Christian (or not, he can't make up his mind) Barry, none for his fellow man.

Isn't it great what Christianity does for this county?

[abdoujaparov]

Have you got the faintest idea what they would be doing ?

If I took someone on I could expose them to all sorts of stuff... Project Management, Software Development, Database Development, Mobile Development, Software Design, Testing, Deployment...

12 months of doing that would be very useful to some surely ? Specially if they are straight out of college and can't find anything...

[kaosmark2]

but you've said you dont want to train a new employee because it's inconvenient...make your mind up

[lost]

looking at the list of companies surprised to see oxfam there, also hmv who it appears are completely fucked even with free labour.

sainsburys have said they won't use the scheme so anyone with an issue should vote with their wallets

[kaosmark2]

looking at the list of companies surprised to see oxfam there, also hmv who it appears are completely fucked even with free labour.

sainsburys have said they won't use the scheme so anyone with an issue should vote with their wallets

[eFestivals]

£12.7k, but quite.

yup, my error.

But the net cost to Barry (assuming he's a higher rate tax payer, which his boasts says he is) is actually less than half that.

Can an high-billing software developer get £6k's worth of useful work out of a trainee in a year?

He'd have to be hugely stupid to fail to get £6k's worth of value out of that trainee, even if that £6k's worth of value is not earned-back income but is instead time saved that can instead be spent with his young daughter.

But in Barry's mind it's too great a cost.

If the Christians who, in Barry's word contribute much more to the country than the average, can't help their fellow man, then even in Barry's mind this country must be unsavable from ruin.

The ruin is really coming from the likes of Barry. They're not the saviours, they're not even very naughty boys.

They're thieves, stealing the livelihoods, futures and lives of their fellow citizens.

Edited February 17, 2012 by eFestivals

[kaosmark2]

Can an high-billing software developer get £6k's worth of useful work out of a trainee in a year?

He'd have to be hugely stupid to fail to get £6k's worth of value out of that trainee, even if that £6k's worth of value is not earned-back income but is instead time saved that can instead be spent with his young daughter.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

As the unemployment figure goes up maybe all those on the dole should do work experience working for Sky. May even get a discount on the bill the scrounging gits can afford ;-)

[kaosmark2]

Its annoyed me a bit this thread...

Its clearly an abuse for a big multinational company that pays millions in dividends to be abusing this scheme to obtain free (often manual) labour... No one here is sticking up for that... and the government shouldn't be making people do that...

But maybe it was just because it is me saying it... but someone like me taking on someone, offering them bloody valuable skills, a career path etc... has to be better than just leaving someone to scrape around finding the small amount of people with paid work...

While Neil thinks he has my finances down to a tee he is way out to be frank. Mainly because he can't understand that my business accounts and personal accounts are not one and the same. But after paying myself a market rate, the company paying general expenses and training / reinvestment etc, there isn't a great deal left over... Certainly not enough to take someone on. So I won't be doing... Since having the kid I don't do what I used to do...

But if this deal allowed me to take someone on, train them and (god forbid) me get some benefit out of it as well and justify the time and effort. Surely it's a good thing ? Considering they would keep all the benefits as well...

They key point though I suppose is I would only want someone who wanted to work with me in this way. And not someone being forced to do it. So to cut along story short... There are plenty of kids out there anyway ready to do this via other schemes etc... So fine, don't look at the possibility at offering this to the long term unemployed...

I just think I am getting a rough deal here when in reality its a bloody good offer for anyone... A lot here are just so negative about everything. Or maybe it isn't the speech but the speaker.

Edited February 17, 2012 by kaosmark2

[pink_triangle]

I agree there has to be a distinction between a huge multinational company looking for cheap labour and a small business who are struggling to break even and dont have the funds to recruit more staff. However I think schemes like this should be optional, if someone sees working for their benefits as an investment in their future, then I have no issues with them doing it and if both small companies and the workers beneift than great.

[Ed209]

They would never let Barry use free labour anyway. They're looking to encourage people back to work, not scare them off.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

The irony is that the end goal of helping people into work actually increases the number of people out of work. I have my finger in a few pies to keep money coming in, and at this time of the year I rely on casual work with one major employer. They have work experience people in and it cant be a coincidence that the number of shifts available has bottomed out. There is not even the guarantee of one or two shifts which for most is enough to keep them off the dole, and I can only guess they are having to claim now.

[Ed209]

I'm great to work for Friday meetings down the pub are stuff of legends . Three pint cheeky lunch

Edited February 17, 2012 by Ed209