Graduating is scary

[Ed209]

I like your grab life by the balls approach! I think i'll do one, abit of research over easter and then maybe apply.

[eFestivals]

Its a bit harsh about that person. I know him and he is a very good man. You might even like him. He is about left as business owners get. But he is highly successful and isn't wet behind the ears or easily falls for marketing scams like you suggest this is.

Like you say, there are some good and worthwhile ones out there.

I very much doubt there are, not from UK uni's anyway.

My oldest bruv has one from a 'private university', but he's never done a degree ... he's been sacked from every job he's ever had, cos he talks the talk far better than he walks the walk ... and like people like that, he always lands himself a better job.

But as a far more meaningful example, a friend of mine has a 1st in Chemical Engineering, generally considered as one of the hardest degrees to do, and only the 3rd person to get a 1st (I can't remember whether that was 3rd ever in the country [i doubt it] or from her uni - which for her undergraduate degree was one of the highest regarded for specialised technical subjects, and particularly for that degree). She went on and did an MBA at one of the country's very top uni's (she wouldn't have got that place without her 1st) and she said it was a complete waste of time apart from how impressed people were by the meaningless bit of paper.

If recruiters are looking for it on CVs then its never a "bad" thing to tick a box. Being a MBA is still a big ask at director level in blue chips, or at least I am lead to believe by the people who head hunt for these positons.

Yep, which says it all. No brains but marketing is everything.

[MrZigster]

I was at Uni in the 90's and thought MBAs were overated then. A useful bolt on though.

I was studying Accountancy & IT at the time (I didn't graduate), an awful lot of systems analyses, occupational psychology, law and how to audit entire businesses etc., (it's not just adding up you know).

A couple of my drinking buddies were doing MBAs, and believe me, their classes were no deeper than mine. I had to help them with their homework more than once. I would say that their course was more like "Business studies for people that don't have a business qualification yet". (I thought you needed a degree to take one? It's "Masters in Business Administration" isn't it?)

Really pissed me off that businesses seemed to think they were the dog's bollocks when it came to qualifications.

[eFestivals]

The closest thing like a MBA that actually might be worth it to me (for ticking boxes) is a certification from Microsoft etc...

Its a terrible waste of money, does nothing in regards of training....

But I wouldn't tell someone not to do one as its ticks a box... But I wouldn't use my own money to do one, I would happily let an employer pay for me to do one

I've got a few of them, and a few Novell ones (probably have people going 'who are Novell?' nowadays ) .... I wouldn't ever bother to mention them, they were the most worthless learning experiences I've ever ever had.

If someone came to be interviewed by me and said anything more about them than perhaps mention they had them I certainly wouldn't consider employing them. If a person thinks an employer should be impressed by them, they're too stupid to realise how worthless they are.

[The Nal]

I've got a few of them, and a few Novell ones (probably have people going 'who are Novell?' nowadays ) .... I wouldn't ever bother to mention them, they were the most worthless learning experiences I've ever ever had.

If someone came to be interviewed by me and said anything more about them than perhaps mention they had them I certainly wouldn't consider employing them. If a person thinks an employer should be impressed by them, they're too stupid to realise how worthless they are.

[eFestivals]

I was at Uni in the 90's and thought MBAs were overated then. A useful bolt on though.

I was studying Accountancy & IT at the time (I didn't graduate), an awful lot of systems analyses, occupational psychology, law and how to audit entire businesses etc., (it's not just adding up you know).

A couple of my drinking buddies were doing MBAs, and believe me, their classes were no deeper than mine. I had to help them with their homework more than once. I would say that their course was more like "Business studies for people that don't have a business qualification yet". (I thought you needed a degree to take one? It's "Masters in Business Administration" isn't it?)

Really pissed me off that businesses seemed to think they were the dog's bollocks when it came to qualifications.

Something different, but based around the bit I've bolded....

I used my bank's online banking service for the very first time yesterday (after having registered both my personal and business accounts a few weeks back, as you have to).....

At the point of logging on I discovered a major system design fault, which I'd fail any 2nd year uni student for making. It's so shoddy and amateur I couldn't believe it, and makes me wonder how poor the rest of their system must be.

But worse than that, I had the call centre telling me I was making it up, that it was my fault, that it was my computer's fault, that I didn't understand the complexity of their systems, and all these things thru 3 levels of staff.... but not one of those staff had ever even used the business banking system to even start to know what they were talking about, let alone have any technical expertise to understand what I was telling them.

Eventually they agreed to get to the call centre techie call me back, which he did at about 8pm ... turns out he wasn't a techie at all, but had managed to replicate what I'd told them and agreed that it was a failing in their systems

Here's betting that the guy in charge of their online system has an MBA, and employs people who can similarly impress him with words and bits of paper, but don't have a fucking clue what they're doing.

[MrZigster]

Don't start me off about the BT call centre...

[abdoujaparov]

I say that because I work at a call centre and they offered me the position.....

Thats what my parents say but stuff like that doesn't interest me and it would be a shame to give up on studying politics, which is something that really interests me. it's a shame that its so hard to justify doing a masters now they have hiked the prices up, which I guess will only increase as the years go on.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I can see there been fewer people doing masters over the next few years.

[Gre]

Another vote for the year in Thailand here - if you've gone school-sixth form-uni, you'll learn more about the world in a year for £6k doing that than you will doing a Masters. It'll be more fun too.

Gives you something to talk about interviews, you might even decide what you really want to do with your life. You've got 40-50 years to sit in an office all day, get out there now. Its all too easy to say 'I'll do it one day', but once career, house, family etc comes along it makes it a lot more difficult.

[The Nal]

Another vote for the year in Thailand here - if you've gone school-sixth form-uni, you'll learn more about the world in a year for £6k doing that than you will doing a Masters. It'll be more fun too.

[abdoujaparov]

Another vote for the year in Thailand here - if you've gone school-sixth form-uni, you'll learn more about the world in a year for £6k doing that than you will doing a Masters. It'll be more fun too.

Gives you something to talk about interviews, you might even decide what you really want to do with your life. You've got 40-50 years to sit in an office all day, get out there now. Its all too easy to say 'I'll do it one day', but once career, house, family etc comes along it makes it a lot more difficult.

[The Nal]

(but potential employers really wont give a monkeys about who you did on your holidays...)