Festival Republic Stage

[mrtourette]

There is no genuine punk scene, especially given that the idea of scene is against punk ethos anyway. Most of the 'real' punk scene that followed The Clash and The Pistiols didn't have anywhere near the punk ethos of the likes of Sonic Youth, Yo La Tengo or The Fall. Punk is mich more than spikey hair, tattoos, goofing around and throwing a few 'oi's!' into a few songs.

[Hart Attack]

What do you mean by such a way? Seems like a well-articulated expression of his own views.

[LondonTom]

He's essentially just writing off an entire sub-genre with sweeping generalizations, plus suggesting that the style is somehow inherently inferior to other forms of rock music and that pop-punk fans are all idiots. It just comes off as arrogant, pretentious and disrespectful towards the bands and their fans.

[jump]

I love that film!

Also the real punk scene died long ago you had to be a part of it at the time to be a real punk band the world was different then, every 'punky' band now is a watered down evolved form of what was once punk. I just let it be it has spawn a few bands that I quite like eg Less Than Jake and Rise Against.

EDIT: must say early LTJ and later RA is the good stuff.

[AcademicPistol]

I like punk but I can't stand those bands.

[jump]

I don't like punk (generally) that's probably why I don't mind them.

[AcademicPistol]

you most certainly are a true punk then

[kaosmark2]

Maybe punk pop is mostly about just having fun, a concept you obviously seem to struggle with. And Green Day have been going for 25 years now, that's a hell of a long time to be running on 'fake passion'.

Fair enough, you don't like it, each to their own. But attacking it and it's fans in such a way just makes you seem like a bit of a cock.

[jump]

Even moreso, this is the thread about the FR stage. The lock-up, a "punk/alternative" stage has already been infiltrated by pop-punk, I accept and put up with that. The FR stage is where I get my fix of real indie music if I go to R&L and I resent the growing acceptance that pop-punk could get onto it. They get headliners, a fair whack of the mainstage, sometimes the NME stage, a fair whack of the lock-up. Why does the FR stage need some on it?

Edited May 17, 2012 by jump

[kaosmark2]

Thing is tho punk has always been a factor on the FR stage, they've had Cerebral Balzy, TAT, All Time Low, You Me @ Six, The Audition, Kids In Glass Houses etc before and the general empathise on FR is new music and not soley indie.

*edit* apart from TAT I'm not a fan of any of those bands.

[jump]

I'm still allowed to resent it

It's not that much about new music. Ash as headliners?

[2rare2die]

What do you mean by such a way? Seems like a well-articulated expression of his own views.

[dontasklb]

I'm with him. Pop punk is ass.

[Matticus]

Punk is more of a ethos, or an idea, rather than a sound nowdays. Go to ATP, thats alt as shit.

Anyways what i'd like in the FR stage

Les Savy Fav

Archers Of Loaf

Yuck

Battles

Black Lips

Errors

Sleigh Bells

Gold Panda

Fucked Up

Fang Island

Pissed Jeans

Minus The Bear

Two Gallants

Hot Snakes

The Computers

Dannananakroyd

Rolo Tomassi

The Menzingers

Cerebral Ballzy

Trapped Under ice

Cold War Kids

Concrete Knives

Death Grips

Exit Ten

Red Kite

Cursive

Two Gallants

[insideaway]

Needs less battles

[AcademicPistol]

Whoa! don't start a Battles battle.

[festivalfollower123]

Punk is more of a ethos, or an idea, rather than a sound nowdays. Go to ATP, thats alt as shit.

Anyways what i'd like in the FR stage

Les Savy Fav

Archers Of Loaf

Yuck

Battles

Black Lips

Errors

Sleigh Bells

Gold Panda

Fucked Up

Fang Island

Pissed Jeans

Minus The Bear

Two Gallants

Hot Snakes

The Computers

Dannananakroyd

Rolo Tomassi

The Menzingers

Cerebral Ballzy

Trapped Under ice

Cold War Kids

Concrete Knives

Death Grips

Exit Ten

Red Kite

Cursive

Two Gallants

[festivalfollower123]

shit no think it was this year, not good with dates

[kaosmark2]

When i bought my first Blink 182 album i was neither a 'whiny disillusioned youth looking to rebel' or 'desperately trying to cling onto my youth through nostalgia' which is what that post had me labelled as, i just enjoyed their music. It just so happens that i'm not keen on some of the stuff they put on at R+L, but then i have the good sense to just go and watch something else rather than come on here attacking a whole sub genre of music and it's fans with off the cuff comments and generalisations.

They wrote Longview, so one song out of the six albums that came before American Idiot hardly constitutes as 'a load'. Green Day also do a lot of charity work, so it's not like they aren't passionate, although on a personal level i do prefer their pre American Idiot stuff.

On AC/DC, any band that have to insist on taking their own stage to a festival, having the amount of bands on that day cut, having all the other stages finish before they start to maximise their crowd, and then refusing to appear on any of the official merchandise, are to me a far greater worry to Download than having the smattering of punk pop bands that they do have.

[kev1664]

It doesn't usually put out and out pop headliners on. You get the likes of Santigold etc., but you don't have Britney headlining. I don't think pop-punk should be treated that differently. I certainly don't think it should have a presence on every stage.

It bothers me more about Download though, because R/L is a general festival while DL claims to be a rock/metal fest and pop-punk is far more pop than rock. Far more.

[2rare2die]

I didn't bother going that year. I don't look for opportunities to have a rant about pop-punk, but if it's getting talked about in a thread on a forum discussing I'm going to throw my opinion in and back it up. The implication that all fans are like that was a bit off, and sorry for that, but it's a target audience that the genre is geared towards and aimed to appeal to and exploit. I stand by my slating of the genre.

Yeah, that wasn't really my main point, more that they weren't a band that took themselves seriously when it wasn't fashionable to, and then when it was they jumped on that bandwagon.

Oh AC/DC are arrogant twats, I'm under no illusions about that. They know it, their detractors know it, their fans know it. I was just using them as an example of a "fun" band that isn't pretending to be meaningful and engaging. Pop-punk riles me more than other genres because it pretends to be something it's not.

[kaosmark2]

Florence and the machine second from top, out and out pop. Just because she has a band backing her and a different sounding voice does not detract it from being out and out pop.

Pop punk is in downloads roots though they've had acts like offspring, Bowling for soup, lost prophets then there is the new wave coming through.

Plus pop-punk is no more about punk as much as indie no longer has the same meaning within music genres.

Completely different.

[gluther]

Im gonna bring the conversation back to the FR stage slightly. Any chance of Gogol Bordello headlining? They played 6th down main last time they played, so slightly too big? I'd love to see them play in the tent.

[mrtourette]

Yeah too big, they always get a bigger crowd than their slots suggest. Plus that stage wouldn't be big enough for them all..

[DaveElNino]

I think The Jezabels are in with a good shout of a mid-high slot (if not sub-headliners). Playing 1500 capacity venues in London, NME Awards Show headliners, playing Pukkelpop the weekend before and Electric Picnic the weekend after. Also pretty big in their native Australia (low main stage at this year's Big Day Out) and obviously trying to get a foothold internationally.

Oh, and they're brilliant live.