whatever happened to Sex 'n Drugs 'n Rock 'n Roll?

[eFestivals]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/21/music-festivals-drugs?newsfeed=true

What stands out there is how few drugs the 'alternative' scene seem to take.

And I've noted the complete absence of mentions of LSD. Do kids today still trip?

[Alcatraz]

That graph's pretty indicative of what kind of people go to each festival *ahem Isle of Wight*

[Alcatraz]

Kind of shocking how little is taken at Leeds / Reading...

[Alcatraz]

And I've noted the complete absence of mentions of LSD. Do kids today still trip?

[eFestivals]

one my friends and one of my family got busted at Bestival. From what I've heard it's not so easy to either get your drugs onto the site and if you do, there still seems to be a higher chance of getting busted..

I always thought it's because it's on the Isle Of Wight... a certain dislike of outsiders and what they might enjoy doing

it's defo the case that IoW police are more drug active than the old bill at other festivals.

But I doubt that accounts for all of the massive difference between those festivals and others.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/may/21/music-festivals-drugs?newsfeed=true

What stands out there is how few drugs the 'alternative' scene seem to take.

And I've noted the complete absence of mentions of LSD. Do kids today still trip?

[eFestivals]

I can't say I know anyone who's taken it.

which quite possibly explains a lot about today's youngsters, and the version of society that is coming from it.

It's quite probably the case that more people were tripping on a regular basis 100 years ago than trip now - it's not like the great great grandads were ignoring mushies.

It's a huge shame. More than anything else, the world needs a bit of alternate thinking rather than mindlessly sucking up the shite that 'the establishment' wants people to follow.

[ivan]

Kind of shocking how little is taken at Leeds / Reading...

[kaosmark2]

It's a huge shame. More than anything else, the world needs a bit of alternate thinking rather than mindlessly sucking up the shite that 'the establishment' wants people to follow.

[eFestivals]

I don't think you need to do drugs to think differently from how you're told to....

I don't either - but i'd also say it can help.

In my experience, people are getting less and less likely to be thinking outside the box, and that's coincided with people taking fewer mind-altering* drugs. Whether the two are related I can't be certain, but I reckon there might be something to this.

(* I'm not classing non-tripping drugs as 'mind-altering', in the same way that few people would class getting drunk as mind altering. If anyone finds that confusing then I'd guess they've not tried tripping to find out what truly mind-altering drugs do).

I'm not trying to encourage anyone to take any drug they're not comfortable taking btw. Each to their own.

[Alcatraz]

I don't either - but i'd also say it can help.

In my experience, people are getting less and less likely to be thinking outside the box, and that's coincided with people taking fewer mind-altering* drugs. Whether the two are related I can't be certain, but I reckon there might be something to this.

(* I'm not classing non-tripping drugs as 'mind-altering', in the same way that few people would class getting drunk as mind altering. If anyone finds that confusing then I'd guess they've not tried tripping to find out what truly mind-altering drugs do).

I'm not trying to encourage anyone to take any drug they're not comfortable taking btw. Each to their own.

[lost]

I know what you mean. Kind of like a lack of sense of adventure thing

Computers and computer games are probably a reason for the lack of this

[eFestivals]

my generation had computer games, I look around the pubs now and see about half of the kids coming through don't even drink.

I think its because you can't afford to fail nowadays, I dicked about at 18, dropped out of uni a couple of times, found out about life a bit, now you need to get the right A-levels to get on the right course at the right uni to have any hope of a career, the unskilled jobs market is completely different too competing against talented eastern Europeans.

I think you can "afford to fail" no less than has ever been the case - tho I think the idea that you can't afford to fail has been hammered into today's kids to the point that they believe it.

I think there's going to be a change around that over the next 5 to 10 years, as the reality of the benefits - or not - of going to Uni become much more clear with the increase in fees.

While i don't think that education for education's sake is a bad idea, the idea of a uni education being necessary to succeed, and even more as being necessary to earn more than others, is going to be exploded as the myth it mostly is.

From the already-changing economic benefits of going to Uni, it's starting to look very clear that the majority of people who go to Uni from Sept won't get any economic advantage out of it, which will impact on the numbers who do choose to go.

But that economic reality is going to be slow to penetrate, and of course most people making a choice like this tend to believe the likelihood of them personally being the loser is much lower than it actually is - a fact that gets exposed with people's attitudes towards selective education such as grammar schools (where most people believe they'd fall into the 'smart' group, while the reality is that they don't).

[windy_miller]

WTF is BZP?!

[eFestivals]

WTF is BZP?!

poor-man's ecstasy.

It was once classed as a 'legal high' but it's been illegal for quite a while now.

[windy_miller]

The question is then, why is there so much of it a Glastonbury and no where else?

[eFestivals]

The question is then, why is there so much of it a Glastonbury and no where else?

I'd guess that it's because there's all sorts of factors making those seizures what they are.

It could be, for example, that they happened to nick a BZP dealer at Glastonbury with nearly all of what's in that graph, and because they didn't nick a dealer anywhere else it gives Glastonbury a much greater amount of BZP than there is for other fests.

[rexclark]

It's certainly becoming alot more risky getting drugs into festivals. At Rockness last year they had sniffer dogs and everyone got checked. The dogs would do a queue of four people at a time. I've never seen so many worried faces in my life! In saying that, people in my group did get in with quite a bit without the dogs picking it up but the dogs aren't 1000% effective and can't catch everything.

It certainly has put me off taking anything with me. Yes there's a good chance you'll get past without the dogs catching you but there's also a good chance you will get caught and in fairness I don't think they were lifting anyone but taking their stash and sending them on their way but I don't fancy risking spending money on drugs for them to be confiscated off me.

Rockness apart, It's pretty easy to get stuff into other fests. I've been to Leeds and Glasto plenty of times and had no worries. As long as your not daft and flaunting it around your chances of getting caught must be minimal.

[swede]

Hate all the legal high bollocks. Im turning 30 a week on Saturday, asked a lad at my work if he needed anything sorting and he said no he's getting some Mcat, looks like you'll need some new nostrils the day after as well, terrible stuff.

[kaosmark2]

Hate all the legal high bollocks. Im turning 30 a week on Saturday, asked a lad at my work if he needed anything sorting and he said no he's getting some Mcat, looks like you'll need some new nostrils the day after as well, terrible stuff.

[MEGABOWL]

I don't either - but i'd also say it can help.

In my experience, people are getting less and less likely to be thinking outside the box, and that's coincided with people taking fewer mind-altering* drugs. Whether the two are related I can't be certain, but I reckon there might be something to this.

(* I'm not classing non-tripping drugs as 'mind-altering', in the same way that few people would class getting drunk as mind altering. If anyone finds that confusing then I'd guess they've not tried tripping to find out what truly mind-altering drugs do).

I'm not trying to encourage anyone to take any drug they're not comfortable taking btw. Each to their own.

[jeanpierre80]

Do they do that much of a fuss if they catch you smokin a joint at one of your festivals in the UK ? Cause elsewhere in Europe, where i have been, they didnt seem to bother that much i.e security dont take much notice, what is the situation there? Like is it safe to smoke in the crowd while watching a band ?

[lifelessfool]

As I guess I'm part of the yoof this is aimed at, I'd say the main reason for myself for failing to try acid comes down to not knowing anyone who sells it.. Every time I've enquired it always been " its not the 1960s pedro" so I guess that plays a bit of a part in it maybe? But yeah I guess it is odd that it makes no reference to it in the article, although as someone pointed out it is only seizures and I thought acid would be something not many dogs are trained to sniff out, but I don't know that much about it. Coincidentally always wanted to try it and a festival seems like the right environment but what do i know.

[feral chile]

As I guess I'm part of the yoof this is aimed at, I'd say the main reason for myself for failing to try acid comes down to not knowing anyone who sells it.. Every time I've enquired it always been " its not the 1960s pedro" so I guess that plays a bit of a part in it maybe? But yeah I guess it is odd that it makes no reference to it in the article, although as someone pointed out it is only seizures and I thought acid would be something not many dogs are trained to sniff out, but I don't know that much about it. Coincidentally always wanted to try it and a festival seems like the right environment but what do i know.

Edited May 22, 2012 by feral chile

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

As I guess I'm part of the yoof this is aimed at, I'd say the main reason for myself for failing to try acid comes down to not knowing anyone who sells it.. Every time I've enquired it always been " its not the 1960s pedro" so I guess that plays a bit of a part in it maybe? But yeah I guess it is odd that it makes no reference to it in the article, although as someone pointed out it is only seizures and I thought acid would be something not many dogs are trained to sniff out, but I don't know that much about it. Coincidentally always wanted to try it and a festival seems like the right environment but what do i know.