Mobile phone recommendations for a festival...

[Vieuphoria]

i do too. But people bumloving Apple irritates me.

iPhones are unreliable as fuck too. Will never own one. Mac's are good though. Never had an issue with mine.

[Yellow_Fellow]

iPhones are unreliable as fuck too.

[Vieuphoria]

they break very easily. and break down quite easily too. and Apple will rarely do anything about it. Most of my friends who've had them have had nothing but problems.

[eFestivals]

i want this framed on my wall as an example of pure and utter tripe. god damn neil you never cease to amaze me. incredible. Not even a source.

Is it tripe, really? Things can still be true if no source is provided.

I didn't need to provide a source as someone else did. Just look back on the thread. But if you'd have asked me for a source yourself in that way I'd have probably ignored it, and allowed you to feel superior due only to your deliberate ignorance.

[AcademicPistol]

they break very easily. and break down quite easily too. and Apple will rarely do anything about it. Most of my friends who've had them have had nothing but problems.

[AcademicPistol]

I didn't need to provide a source as someone else did.

[Gingo]

they break very easily. and break down quite easily too. and Apple will rarely do anything about it. Most of my friends who've had them have had nothing but problems.

[rug568]

I agree they break easily, not my personal experience but a lot of my friends but they have taken it to the Apple store and every single one of them has been offered a brand new iPhone free of charge as a first replacement which is extremely good customer service

[LondonTom]

I agree they break easily, not my personal experience but a lot of my friends but they have taken it to the Apple store and every single one of them has been offered a brand new iPhone free of charge as a first replacement which is extremely good customer service

[AcademicPistol]

So i take it they are paying for apple care?

[Gingo]

So i take it they are paying for apple care?

[Koroviev]

As I said on the previous page, (proportionately) Macs are currently more virus-infected than Windows PCs.

It's hype and not facts that is making Mac users believe otherwise. Hype from Apple? Who'd have thought it.

[eFestivals]

As much as I respect you as a source for festival information. I advise you not to make comments like that because your ignorance just makes you look foolish.

are macs around the world heavily virused (or worse, Trojan'd), while those mac users are living with the false belief that they can't get a virus? Yes they are.

Care to point out what is ignorant there, apart from the ignorance of those mac users?

The foolishness is one for mac users.

OSX is based on Unix.

Yes it is - with Apple-added weaknesses.

In relation to your first point. What a load of nonsense. Flashback was big yes (and technically not a virus it was a trojan and only morons get infected by a trojan) but within days the Mac community had offered an easy fix for most users infected and within 2 weeks Apple had released their own update via the software update to remove it.

It was FAR longer than two weeks (I forget the full details now, but it was). And Apple also did it on the quiet - they did not issue a virus warning until a long while after, because they want their users and the rest of the world to keep believing a falsehood.

Contrast that to Windows.

Windows is shit, so what? That has nothing to do with whether Macs have viruses.

I'm no Windows fan boy. I'm someone with 30+ years of computing experience on all sorts of platforms (including one FAR better than unix, for which I did a world first), who is seeing all of the same idiot-induced things in modern computing as existed 20 to 30 years ago at its (mainstream) birth. Modern designers are making all the same errors because they've not bothered to learn their history - which are particularly prevalent in 'smart' phones.

There are like 60,000 viruses for Windows and around 100 for Mac. Yet you genuinely believe the proportion of Macs with viruses is higher? 99.6% of all malware is written to the windows platform. The reason why Macs are renown for not getting viruses is because it is /fact/ and accepted within the computing industry, do you really think the PR guff from Apple saying "Macs don't get viruses" wouldn't have been challenged within 12 years?

Macs have (or did) a greater proportion of viruses precisely because people believe they can't get viruses - and so they don't have virus protection or feel the need to be safe in what they do.

The "/fact/" you state is not a fact, and that's the heart of the problem. Apple continue to push the myth, and so help the viruses.

Edited June 7, 2012 by eFestivals

[Mega Ross]

Or more fitting, if your idiotic enough to not be able to look after your possessions then you shouldn't own one at all, your just as likely to damage it in the street. If it gets broke, it gets broke life goes on..

[mrtourette]

Person 1: I don't like iPhones, and mine kept breaking.

Person 2: You're wrong, it's great and mine's never broken.

Person 3: Utter nonsense, mine broke.

Person 4: That's completely untrue, I didn't have any issues with mine.

It shouldn't be too hard to keep hold of a phone and not damage it, however as Mega Ross says you do face things at festivals that you don't in everyday life so takign a cheapo one to be on the safe side is logical. There's nothing wrong with either, however taking a smart phone, losing/damaging it and then whining about it will get you no sympathy at all, and given people's propensity to whine about things without reralising it's their own stupid fault I'd recommend they take a cheapo spare just so I don't have to listen to/read their stupid grievances.

[Koroviev]

are macs around the world heavily virused (or worse, Trojan'd), while those mac users are living with the false belief that they can't get a virus? Yes they are.

Care to point out what is ignorant there, apart from the ignorance of those mac users?

The foolishness is one for mac users.

Yes it is - with Apple-added weaknesses.

It was FAR longer than two weeks (I forget the full details now, but it was). And Apple also did it on the quiet - they did not issue a virus warning until a long while after, because they want their users and the rest of the world to keep believing a falsehood.

Windows is shit, so what? That has nothing to do with whether Macs have viruses.

I'm no Windows fan boy. I'm someone with 30+ years of computing experience on all sorts of platforms (including one FAR better than unix, for which I did a world first), who is seeing all of the same idiot-induced things in modern computing as existed 20 to 30 years ago at its (mainstream) birth. Modern designers are making all the same errors because they've not bothered to learn their history - which are particularly prevalent in 'smart' phones.

Macs have (or did) a greater proportion of viruses precisely because people believe they can't get viruses - and so they don't have virus protection or feel the need to be safe in what they do.

The "/fact/" you state is not a fact, and that's the heart of the problem. Apple continue to push the myth, and so help the viruses.

[jump]

Personally I prefer the Spectrum, I've yet to get any viruses on it.

[thetime]

I'm not upto speed in computers, don't you only get viruses by watching dodgy porn and downloading illegally.

[eFestivals]

I wasn't saying it is a fact Macs don't get viruses, I was more saying its a fact that Macs are more safer than Windows for numerous reasons.

technically, they're safer.

But when windoze PCs are used by people who are aware of their vulnerabilities while macs are not, the reality around that can get wildly skewed - which is exactly what happened.

to say the proportion of Mac users with viruses is higher than Windows is incorrect.

it was certainly correct in around September.

(remember: I'm talking proportionately).

The whole Flashback thing was a travesty and can be described as nothing but a cock-up by Apple. But it was only circa 2 weeks from the day it escalated as a widespread issue that it was patched by Apple;

- April 6th; Kaspersky confirms widespread mac infection

- April 14th; Apple patch the vulnerability exploit.

erm .... I'm not entirely sure if it's the same issue or not, but the one I'm talking about relates to last September, not this April.

I don't have my (not online) source available to me any more so I can't go back to find out what I've forgotten, but from the little I can remember it's sounding like the same thing - because the instance I read about had Apple knowing about the problem for many months and doing absolutely nothing to resolve it, and only taking action after it had been very widely reported

Actually, having just checked the BBC article again, it does look like the same thing - Apple doing nothing until April this year about a problem they've been aware of since at least September. That's no 'cock-up', that's a case of a bunch of incompetents believing their own myths and marketing, &/or caring more about the company's image than they do their customer's data. ... despite the vulnerabilities of windoze, that fact about Apple makes windoze the better platform for anyone but a fool.

One question though as I am unsure myself; when Windows gets hit by a virus outbreak, do Microsoft issue a virus warning? I always thought myself that it was the big anti-virus companies which announced it then Microsoft quietly fixed it.

Microsoft aren't Apple-style 'quiet' about it, but it's not something they're particularly attempting to announce to every end user. They don't have to be, because their OS actively encourages users to install virus protection and the vulnerabilities are well known and accepted.

A userbase is believing there are no viruses and can be no viruses is far more vulnerable.

That is the fundamental problem with all mainstream companies and their software/OS. They will only fix it when it is exploited to try save themselves money.

Not true, not true at all. They fix the issues to (long term) save themselves money, because a platform that doesn't fix its problems is a platform that no one should be using.

[eFestivals]

I'm not upto speed in computers, don't you only get viruses by watching dodgy porn and downloading illegally.

Nope.

Sadly, a couple of times (just two, in 13 years) this website has become 'infected' and have given some users viruses.

One of those instances was due to some widely-used 3rd party advertising software that I was using then (not now) and where this site was unlucky enough to be one of the first sites hit via that vulnerability, before the software producers had issued a warning and fix for the problem (less than 24 hours after this site was hit).

The other instance involved an advert which had somehow got onto many of the ad-servers out there, and which was being served up to a small proportion of the users here. eBay users (amongst many other sites) were affected by the same problem at the same time as here was.

The people most likely to be affected by a virus are those who are most complacent - which is pretty much how you're sounding, by thinking that you are only likely to encounter viruses if you visit the more seedy types of sites. You are safest by being aware that you are never safe.

[Koroviev]

technically, they're safer.

But when windoze PCs are used by people who are aware of their vulnerabilities while macs are not, the reality around that can get wildly skewed - which is exactly what happened.

it was certainly correct in around September.

(remember: I'm talking proportionately).

erm .... I'm not entirely sure if it's the same issue or not, but the one I'm talking about relates to last September, not this April.

I don't have my (not online) source available to me any more so I can't go back to find out what I've forgotten, but from the little I can remember it's sounding like the same thing - because the instance I read about had Apple knowing about the problem for many months and doing absolutely nothing to resolve it, and only taking action after it had been very widely reported

Actually, having just checked the BBC article again, it does look like the same thing - Apple doing nothing until April this year about a problem they've been aware of since at least September. That's no 'cock-up', that's a case of a bunch of incompetents believing their own myths and marketing, &/or caring more about the company's image than they do their customer's data. ... despite the vulnerabilities of windoze, that fact about Apple makes windoze the better platform for anyone but a fool.

Microsoft aren't Apple-style 'quiet' about it, but it's not something they're particularly attempting to announce to every end user. They don't have to be, because their OS actively encourages users to install virus protection and the vulnerabilities are well known and accepted.

A userbase is believing there are no viruses and can be no viruses is far more vulnerable.

Not true, not true at all. They fix the issues to (long term) save themselves money, because a platform that doesn't fix its problems is a platform that no one should be using.

Edited June 7, 2012 by Koroviev

[thetime]

Never been hit by a virus of sorts but recently suffered online fraud when I was buying a hoody online I had £1239 taken out of my account at the same time of the hoody purchase.

Luckily I check bank everyday and was soon put right, although everytime I used card for a couple of weeks it got blocked.

Nightmare.

[eFestivals]

So you honestly think Windows would have spent the unprecedented levels on security and improving Windows to such an extent it has become a fantastic OS given its platform if it were not for all of its widespread vulnerabilities?

yup. Can't remember what it's called, but the USA govt has a quality/security standard that is required for the US govt to purchase that equipment for certain purposes. If it ain't certified it ain't gonna get sold into the US govt in huge numbers and its days would be numbered.

(amusingly, that standard permits a back-door login. I'm not sure if that really exists within windoze [there's plenty of conspiracy sites which says it does] but I know for certain that it exists within some other bits of software)

Surely it is common knowledge for everyone using computers in 2012 that no platform they're using is invincible from viruses.

says the man who said it was a "/fact/" that macs didn't get viruses just a few posts ago.

As I posted a few minutes ago: You are safest by being aware that you are never safe.

[Spud001]

Well this is riveting

[Calzum]

Can't remember when this forum became a computing forum