Football 2012-2013

[strummer77]

Yes very true, but pretty much a bit part player wouldn't you agree?

[thetime]

Not in that tournament. Started every game didn't he? In the other two though, I agree.

[kaosmark2]

Ibra's only been average in games against English opposition, and obviously that's a clear indication. Like how Messi is shit because he hasn't scored against Chelsea.

I would also say valdes has never been top 5 in the world keeper material but he just seems to fit well with the Barca squad.

[The Nal]

Busquets is average enough but hes Barca bred so he knows the system. Helps a lot.

Can't think of anyone other than O'Shea to take the title to be honest. 5 leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 3 pisspots, 1 World Club Championship, 256 games for Man Utd.

Unbelievable.

[kaosmark2]

Aye. I'm not disputing why Barca and Spain play him. Just saying.

Was going to say Neil had said players that aren't bit-part, but at 256 games he's averaging over 20 a season, and that includes periods spent injured, or when he was young and getting even fewer.

The Italian teams must have had some average players that got 30-odd games in successful seasons though?

You can pick players from the likes of Greece in 04, Liverpool in 05, etc., but they're all one-off wins. In terms of sustained success and limited talent I can't see anyone besting the average Man U players.

[thetime]

Busquets is average enough but hes Barca bred so he knows the system. Helps a lot.

Can't think of anyone other than O'Shea to take the title to be honest. 5 leagues, 1 Champions League, 1 FA Cup, 3 pisspots, 1 World Club Championship, 256 games for Man Utd.

Unbelievable.

[eFestivals]

Not quite Shit but Torres is the only Player to be current world cup winner, euro winner and cl winner. All for doing pretty much fuck all.

Torres was one of the names I thought over when I posed the question to myself, but decided he didn't quite fit what I asked. Cos while he's under-deserving of all that from his contributions & performances he's not quite shit (despite being shit for nearly 3 years now ).

I'd thought of Traore too, but if all he has is one CL medal then he's not decked out in enough gold to count.

I was struggling for ideas, which is why I wondered what you lot thought.

Was going to say Neil had said players that aren't bit-part, but at 256 games he's averaging over 20 a season, and that includes periods spent injured, or when he was young and getting even fewer.

In terms of sustained success and limited talent I can't see anyone besting the average Man U players.

It's looking like you might be right with that, but they're still not really the sorts of 'top player' names I thought there might be with loads of medals their limited-talent didn't deserve. Despite that impressive number of games over many seasons, I still can't see them as more than bit part players, because with just about anyone as manager they'd never be within the first 11 choices for the team to put on the pitch.

Edited June 19, 2012 by eFestivals

[The Nal]

Wes brown 5 premier league titles, 2 champions league and 2 fa cup.

Edited June 19, 2012 by The Nal

[sifi]

Dave Beasent has a medal for finishing fourth at a world cup, and once broke his foot when he dropped a jar of mayonaisse on it.

[thetime]

Don't buy into the anti Wes Brown stuff at all.

Decent player. A better player than Carragher for example. Good tackler, good in the air, committed and fair.

[pink_triangle]

Yes very true, but pretty much a bit part player wouldn't you agree?

[The Nal]

It is these players what you need to win prems, I remember john oshea getting a winner against Liverpooin the last minute when they totally outplayed us.

Edited June 19, 2012 by The Nal

[kaosmark2]

It's looking like you might be right with that, but they're still not really the sorts of 'top player' names I thought there might be with loads of medals their limited-talent didn't deserve. Despite that impressive number of games over many seasons, I still can't see them as more than bit part players, because with just about anyone as manager they'd never be within the first 11 choices for the team to put on the pitch.

[thetime]

Veron maybe? He won a fair bit at Man U

[pink_triangle]

To be fair on veron he won plenty outside england. Another candidate I could think of is MIkel, never rated him.

[thetime]

Another candidate I could think of is MIkel, never rated him.

[kaosmark2]

To be fair on veron he won plenty outside england. Another candidate I could think of is MIkel, never rated him.

[The Nal]

I wasn't watching Italian football when he played for Inter so I've no idea about his performances there. Awful displays here though.

[strummer77]

Decent player. A better player than Carragher for example. Good tackler, good in the air, committed and fair.

Edited June 19, 2012 by strummer77

[The Nal]

No he wasn't better than Carragher. Better than Carragher now? Definitely, he's rubbish. But that shouldn't detract from the fact he was a decent player. Wes Brown of any era being better than Carragher 2005-2009? No, not at all.

You could put up the arguement he may be more naturally talented than Carragher but that's really less than half the story. As far as centre backs go, during that small period Carragher was very good. Very very good at times. He was a key part in the best defence in the league and one of the best defenders in the league, something that Brown could never claim to be.

I may have completely fallen out of love with the bloke, but Wes Brown was not a better player than Carragher.

Edited June 20, 2012 by The Nal

[Benj]

Sorry but I never thought Carra was as good as LFC do. Would he be as highly regarded without the accent?

[strummer77]

Sorry but I never thought Carra was as good as LFC do. Would he be as highly regarded without the accent?

Edited June 20, 2012 by strummer77

[eFestivals]

Most non LFC fans I know reckon he was utterly shite and held LFC back if anything, the utterly shite cart horse

Chucking yourself in front of a few balls, does not a good defender make

but it's till better than letting them in as your lot do.

[Benj]

Shite now and held us back the last two or three years for sure. Not many claimed he was holding us back in 08/09 or 2005 and its pure revisionism to claim otherwise is pure revisionism.

[Benj]

but it's till better than letting them in as your lot do.