Football 2012-2013

[thetime]

Liverpool could be bottom after 5 games. They have arsenal, city and united to play in next 4 games.

Now that would be hilarious.

[Benj]

Everton have a great first eleven and can compete with the top teams. The trouble is when they get a few injuries......

[Benj]

Let's be honest, Liverpool are pretty shit (when compared to previous Liverpool sides, and their current rivals).

I can't think of one player in the Liverpool squad that would improve Man City, Man Utd, or Chelsea's team. Of course we know Liverpool aren't as strong as those sides, but to not have even one star player that would get into their rivals sides says it all.

[TheGayTent]

I think Suarez flatters to deceive much of the time.

Besides I said team not squad!

[zahidf]

Said Sir Alex Ferguson after Manchester United's defeat to Everton:

"It's difficult here, you have the crowd influencing the referee all the time and it makes it difficult for you."

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[thetime]

I think Suarez flatters to deceive much of the time.

Besides I said team not squad!

[thetime]

Said Sir Alex Ferguson after Manchester United's defeat to Everton:

"It's difficult here, you have the crowd influencing the referee all the time and it makes it difficult for you."

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

[eFestivals]

Let's be honest, Liverpool are pretty shit (when compared to previous Liverpool sides, and their current rivals).

I can't think of one player in the Liverpool squad that would improve Man City, Man Utd, or Chelsea's team. Of course we know Liverpool aren't as strong as those sides, but to not have even one star player that would get into their rivals sides says it all.

Worse still is the amount of dross they have. None of these players (now) are good enough for a top 6 side:

Carroll, Cole, Henderson, Assaidi, Downing, Spearing, Carragher, Adam, Shelvey...add in the players I've not seen play or never even heard of and BR has a hell of a job on his hands.

I'd be very surprised if Liverpool made the Europa League. Unless they buy well before the window shuts.

given that you've definitely included three unwanted players (for just this season in the case of Shelvey), and might have included a fourth (Carroll) within the just eight players you've named, it's no wonder you're thinking them poor.

That's not to say they won't be poor of course, but they'll definitely look poor if you focus your attention on the worst players.

[TheGayTent]

given that you've definitely included three unwanted players (for just this season in the case of Shelvey), and might have included a fourth (Carroll) within the just eight players you've named, it's no wonder you're thinking them poor.

That's not to say they won't be poor of course, but they'll definitely look poor if you focus your attention on the worst players.

[Benj]

given that you've definitely included three unwanted players (for just this season in the case of Shelvey), and might have included a fourth (Carroll) within the just eight players you've named, it's no wonder you're thinking them poor.

That's not to say they won't be poor of course, but they'll definitely look poor if you focus your attention on the worst players.

[eFestivals]

In case you hadn't noticed, football is very much a squad game.

funnily enough, I had.

It was precisely for that reason I pointed out to you that you were thinking of four non-squad players as being a part of their squad when they're unlikely to be a part of their squad seeing as the club are actively trying to off-load them.

If I said "WHU are going to be shit this season because they have W, X, Y & Z" when you knew that W, X, Y & Z were all players the club were trying to lose, then I'm sure you'd consider my comment an unfair slur on your club, and you'd probably regress into troll-twat mode too and tell me how little I knew about football, that only you know it all, and all the other things you so love to do which make you look a twat.

I am merely pointing out your error in your evaluation of Liverpool as things stand. Accept it if you want to, or do the TGT twat thing. It's up to you.

[eFestivals]

Thing is, they're hardly the worst!

But if you want to take out those three you can add Allen, Borrini and Henderson instead then!

PMSL

So an England player and about the best 'Team GB' player are the worst?

I'm guessing that football is now run by managers of dork intelligence. Or perhaps that's just the comments of the jealous.

[eFestivals]

ps~: Allen might turn out to be shit; Henderson might turn out to be shit.

But at this moment there's no doubt whatsoever that they're better players than both of Adam and J.Cole, and that Liverpool are better with Allen and Henderson than they are Adam and Cole in their place.

I'm not trying to big up Liverpool, i'm a pigeon shitting on the heads of the stupid.

[The Nal]

I'm guessing that football is now run by managers of dork intelligence. Or perhaps that's just the comments of the jealous.

[TheGayTent]

What are you gibbering on about?

Resorting to insulting again because you've realised you've fucked up?

Having players within a squad the club is actively trying to get rid of? That proves the whole point - the squad is shit (compared to other teams they believe they are/should be, competing against). They might well be attempting to improve the squad, just as every other club is! Whether you compare the squad now, before the window closes, or in September, after the window closes, the facts remain the same.

Unless of course, you believe that Liverpool are going to sign 4 or 5 world class players, and the Man City's and Man Utd's of this league are going to sell their better players?

Slur on the club? If you said similar about WHU, i'd say the very same things. Yes we have Joey O'Brien and Freddie Piquionne as part of our squad. Neither feature heavily in the first team and we'd like to get rid if we could. However, we don't have the money and can't attract much better even if we had the money.... Same situation at Liverpool albeit with better players and more money...

Comprendez?

Edited August 21, 2012 by TheGayTent

[Benj]

PMSL

So an England player and about the best 'Team GB' player are the worst?

I'm guessing that football is now run by managers of dork intelligence. Or perhaps that's just the comments of the jealous.

Edited August 21, 2012 by Benj

[Benj]

Has this been done yet

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/dJ1yUlthX3C7EVgN.Oqg6w--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTU5Nw--/http://media.zenfs.com/en/blogs/sptussowexperts/large-12.jpeg

Edited August 21, 2012 by Benj

[The Nal]

Has this been done yet

[eFestivals]

Not much in the difference between Evertons starting 11 and Liverpools quality wise. If anything, Evertons 2 or 3 best players are better than Liverpools best 2-3.

Quite possibly. It's not something I've commented on.

[kaosmark2]

Hehehehe.

I wonder if Everton starting well has anything to do with them no longer relying so heavily on Arteta+Cahill who often struggle in pre-season/early-season with fitness. Fellaini is a beast as well.

Liverpool are quite shit, but WBA are quite good. If Steve Clarke is a decent manager, I reckon they could finish top half again. I gotta say, there's more WBA players I'd like see join Newc than 'Pool players.... Lukaku looked impressive as well, is he on loan for the season or are Chelski getting him back in January?

Is there an efestivals fantasy league this year gang? I'm signed up to a few but that was always one of my faves.

Edited August 21, 2012 by kaosmark2

[Benj]

Or perhaps that's just the comments of the jealous.

[eFestivals]

What are you gibbering on about?

Resorting to insulting again because you've realised you've fucked up?

Having players within a squad the club is actively trying to get rid of? That proves the whole point - the squad is shit (compared to other teams they believe they are/should be, competing against). They might well be attempting to improve the squad, just as every other club is! Whether you compare the squad now, before the window closes, or in September, after the window closes, the facts remain the same.

The facts remain the same, except the facts of who the squad members are.

Cole was obviously being given his promised chance; ten minutes on the pitch (or whatever it was) and he's clearly had it. He won't get another kick and the others won't get a kick at all - so not squad members, just players still currently signed to the club but not wanted by the club.

Were Liverpool rubbish last year because Aquilani was still on the books, or in spite of that?

Unless of course, you believe that Liverpool are going to sign 4 or 5 world class players, and the Man City's and Man Utd's of this league are going to sell their better players?

No, I don't believe either.

I believe that you can't show how bad a club is by mentioning the players that they don't want. Those unwanted players prove the club is better than those players, and nothing else.

Slur on the club? If you said similar about WHU, i'd say the very same things. Yes we have Joey O'Brien and Freddie Piquionne as part of our squad. Neither feature heavily in the first team and we'd like to get rid if we could. However, we don't have the money and can't attract much better even if we had the money.... Same situation at Liverpool albeit with better players and more money...

Comprendez?

Not the same situation at all.

Liverpool have a full and better squad without those unwanted players. They don't feature in any evaluation of Liverpool's squad strength.

[kaosmark2]

Liverpool have a full and better squad without those unwanted players. They don't feature in any evaluation of Liverpool's squad strength.

[TheGayTent]

Aquilani is a perfect example of why Liverpool are shit (compared to blah blah blah). They have spent a whole heap of money on players they believe would improve the team and the squad and close the gap to their perceived rivals.

Aquilani, Carroll, Henderson, Adam, you could keep going for a long time, have all been expensive flops - some worse than others. Some have been moved on, some the club would like to move on, and some are deemed to be good enough to play for the first XI, despite the fact none of them are good enough to be courted by their 'rivals'.

So yes, part of the reason Liverpool are so shit (comparatively blah blah) is exactly because Aquilani was on the books.

Of course you can show the current status of a club by the players they want rid of. The number of players Liverpool want rid of is higher than that of most of their 'rivals' and the quality of those players is worse than their 'rivals'. They want rid of them because they in part have caused the lack of success Liverpool have had over the last few seasons.

Don't be so stupid. Liverpool do not have a full and better squad without those players. Proof of which is that they will be replaced, either directly or indirectly.

[eFestivals]

I wasn't suggesting they were the worst, just 3 replacements for the 3 you said shouldn't be on the The Gay Tent's list

Yep, they can be used as replacements - but doing that weakens TGT's point about "look how bad they are, these players prove it", because the players you name are better than the ones on TGT's list they'd replace.

There is no chance that either of those two would get a look in at the top 4-5 teams in the country, not even a chance of a sniff.

I agree with you about Henderson, not quite so sure about Allen. I reckon a few might have been quite interested in having him (even if he didn't get to play much), tho they wouldn't have paid as much as Liverpool did.

If you want the worst, there's a lot to choose from!

there is. I haven't been trying to say otherwise.

I've only been saying that you don't evaluate the strength of a team with the players they're very unlikely to use.