Films

[Amy Lawn]

Just now, jump said:

So if you only George Clooney made shit puns it would have been a masterpiece.

If Batman, Robin and Batgirl were all smarter and funnier it would be the best Batman film.

[Wooderson]

As a lifelong comic reader "serious" and "Batman" together has never made good sense. That kids can't go see these movies is a laugh.

[Amy Lawn]

2 hours ago, Wooderson said:

As a lifelong comic reader "serious" and "Batman" together has never made good sense. That kids can't go see these movies is a laugh.

To be fair, I can't think of any of any of the comics in what would be considered the canon of great Batman comics that are suitable for kids.

[DomDom1984]

Thought BvS was too short. It crammed three movies worth of plot into it. 

[WS_Jack_III]

1 hour ago, DomDom1984 said:

Thought BvS was too short. It crammed three movies worth of plot into it. 

Seen a few others say there is too much in one film.

[jump]

Batman being depressingly serious or a 90 min long toy commercial still doesn't excuse the film being shit.

[Wooderson]

2 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

To be fair, I can't think of any of any of the comics in what would be considered the canon of great Batman comics that are suitable for kids.

8 year olds, Dude.

[Amy Lawn]

2 hours ago, jump said:

Batman being depressingly serious or a 90 min long toy commercial still doesn't excuse the film being shit.

Ironically, probably the best film to feature Batman was literally a 90 minute toy commercial.

[Winslow Leach]

Do Batman and Superman kiss at the end? If they don't I'm not interested. 

[WS_Jack_III]

Deadpool was great fun. The jokes were great, the story is standard comic book movie stuff though. Definitely worth a watch, I'd go 8 out of 10.

[WS_Jack_III]

Batman Vs Superman

Boring. 

 

Some decent parts but overall 5/10 

 

Possibly lower.

Edited March 28, 2016 by WS_Jack_III
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[WS_Jack_III]

Okay, let's get into it a bit more.

 

WB and DC seem really confused with their DCEU. Now i'm no big comic book fan but love the recent MCU and the quality of the flicks Marvel have put out. That has now gone into TV too, all the while maintaining a brilliant continuity. Marvel built up its characters, gave them their own films to get the origin stories done and then brought everyone together for a team up.

 

WB and DC have basically said they don't want to be just like Marvel but tried to do what Marvel did in 5 films all in 1 movie. The motivations of Lex Jr and Batman were both very odd and made little sense. Isn't Batman supposed to be the greatest detective in the world? Surely he could figure out that, actually, Superman is kind of okay. They could have gone with a different and much better angle for them falling out in my opinion. Come May, we'll see a much better way of portraying superheroes falling out in Civil War.

 

Why did it take so long to get going? Endless talk of Gods, men and monsters. The Jesus imagery was overboard again.

 

and then the big plot point at the end, which i won't spoil and it certainly caught me off guard. But it seems like they've done a lot of things way too early in this franchise. 

 

I do worry that Marvel's Civil War will have too much going on in one film but this was crazy here. Batfleck was pretty good, the dude got built for this and looked scary as all hell in the suit. Wonder Woman was okay when she suited up. 

Doomsday looked like arse.

 

I'll stick with 5/10, average. 

[jump]

^It's much easier to sum it up as 90 mins of bullshit empty plot followed up by 60 mins of shit action that's too dark to see anything. Even if the Supes vs Bats fight was decent it would be getting some praise.

It's the only movie I remember seeing where I was looking forward to getting out of the cinema because the movie was so shit.

 

 

 

 

 

The death of Superman thing is just gonna be about making the Justice League film a Search of Spock rip off so they can resurrect him, probably on Easter too just to milk the Jesus rubbish. 

 

 

 

Edited March 29, 2016 by jump

[WS_Jack_III]

32 minutes ago, jump said:

^It's much easier to sum it up as 90 mins of bullshit empty plot followed up by 60 mins of shit action that's too dark to see anything. Even if the Supes vs Bats fight was decent it would be getting some praise.

It's the only movie I remember seeing where I was looking forward to getting out of the cinema because the movie was so shit.

 

 

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The death of Superman thing is just gonna be about making the Justice League film a Search of Spock rip off so they can resurrect him, probably on Easter too just to milk the Jesus rubbish. 

 

 

 

Suppose i'm trying to look at it in the larger DCEU sense. It certainly wasn't good.

[Amy Lawn]

8 hours ago, WS_Jack_III said:

Okay, let's get into it a bit more.

 

WB and DC seem really confused with their DCEU. Now i'm no big comic book fan but love the recent MCU and the quality of the flicks Marvel have put out. That has now gone into TV too, all the while maintaining a brilliant continuity. Marvel built up its characters, gave them their own films to get the origin stories done and then brought everyone together for a team up.

 

WB and DC have basically said they don't want to be just like Marvel but tried to do what Marvel did in 5 films all in 1 movie. The motivations of Lex Jr and Batman were both very odd and made little sense. Isn't Batman supposed to be the greatest detective in the world? Surely he could figure out that, actually, Superman is kind of okay. They could have gone with a different and much better angle for them falling out in my opinion. Come May, we'll see a much better way of portraying superheroes falling out in Civil War.

WB know exactly what they want to do with the DCU, make a shit tonne of money. WB's position has been in decline in recently years, DC is one of precious few properties they have, they need to milk it. They're not interested in putting in the groundwork and building up a slow burn underdog story for years like Marvel did, they want to cash in their big chips as quickly as possible. They don't want the fan love that Marvel get, they just want mass market dough. They picked Snyder because he's a cheap Michael Bay, they want Transformers.

[WS_Jack_III]

20 minutes ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

WB know exactly what they want to do with the DCU, make a shit tonne of money. WB's position has been in decline in recently years, DC is one of precious few properties they have, they need to milk it. They're not interested in putting in the groundwork and building up a slow burn underdog story for years like Marvel did, they want to cash in their big chips as quickly as possible. They don't want the fan love that Marvel get, they just want mass market dough. They picked Snyder because he's a cheap Michael Bay, they want Transformers.

Sadly i think you're right.

 

Snyder gets a lot of stick but then i realised he did the Watchmen film. I thought that was great, i've yet to read the Graphic Novel though.

[Amy Lawn]

Just now, WS_Jack_III said:

Sadly i think you're right.

 

Snyder gets a lot of stick but then i realised he did the Watchmen film. I thought that was great, i've yet to read the Graphic Novel though.

I hear it's pretty much shot-for-shot with a tweaked ending. They must have chosen Snyder after watching 300, he made very surface-level power fantasy full of slow motion shots of burly guys fighting each other in bleak settings, and it put serious money in the bank.

[jump]

I blame Goyer more than Snyder, Goyer comes out with crap like She-Hulk is a green porn star and for as much as he worked on the Dark Knight movies (even then Nolan wanted his own writers to actually write it) he also did Ghost Rider, David Hasslehoof's (spelling?) Nick Fury etc and the script for Bats v Supes were awful, there's no personality to it at all which is the biggest problem.

It may also be WB producers don't know what the fuck they are doing too. I listened to a podcast with one of the guys that run the Flash, Supergirl, Arrow etc shows and he mentioned the orginal script for the Green Lantern movie was very much a marvel type film with humour and for comic lovers but it was completely dismantled by WB into the shit it became and the writer refused to work with them again until they offered him free reign with the DC comics on tv, whilst Arrow is too tween oc drama to go with the gritty crime/wannabe Batman for my taste, Flash is an almost perfect comic comes to life show and Supergirl holds up well enough.

 

[Amy Lawn]

As I understand it, DC's own entertainment team have a good bit of control over the TV and animated stuff, which seems pretty popular with comics people I know (wouldn't know myself as I read very little DC and haven't seen the TV stuff). The films are pretty much entirely in WB's grip. I think Marvel Studios have guys like Bendis and Quesada in consulting roles to offer input about what people do and don't like about the characters, which is why their comics fanbase is so positive about the movie output. Marvel seem to be using the comics as a testing ground for ideas at the moment, case in point being when the Inhumans movie got canned after 18 months of the comics readership not really taking the big push they were given.

[jump]

^I heard a different story regarding the Inhumans movie, when Feige the guy behind the Marvel films had a huge falling out with Pearlmutter the head of Marvel over the budget of Civil War Disney stepped in and gave Feige control over the films from now on and one of the first things he did was to scrap Inhumans as it was Perlmutter who was backing it and not him.

Marvel has always thrown out ideas with their comics but I don't see Miles Morales, girl Thor, Skaar etc in the films and Ant-Man, Guardians, Big Hero 6 getting pics despite not even having their own comics out at the time.

 

 

[WS_Jack_III]

1 hour ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

As I understand it, DC's own entertainment team have a good bit of control over the TV and animated stuff, which seems pretty popular with comics people I know (wouldn't know myself as I read very little DC and haven't seen the TV stuff). The films are pretty much entirely in WB's grip. I think Marvel Studios have guys like Bendis and Quesada in consulting roles to offer input about what people do and don't like about the characters, which is why their comics fanbase is so positive about the movie output. Marvel seem to be using the comics as a testing ground for ideas at the moment, case in point being when the Inhumans movie got canned after 18 months of the comics readership not really taking the big push they were given.

It hasn't officially been cancelled, still listed for a 2019 release.

 

I read something similar to Jump about it being politics between Kevin and Pearlmutter.

[jump]

1 hour ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

I think Flash is awful. Gave up two thirds of way through season 1. It's just bad American soap opera, but with a super hero. Some of the acting is atrocious. Never seen Arrow or Supergirl, but I nearly didn't bother with Daredevil cos of how bad other Superhero series have been. 

Daredevil is fucking brilliant and Jessica Jones is just as good but I watch it and at no point do I think to myself this is the comic on the telly, once he finally puts the suit on I found myself wanting him to take it off as it doesn't work as well. However I watch Flash and it feels like the comic and is a perfect translation between the two mediums.

[Winslow Leach]

16 hours ago, GETOFFAMYLAWN said:

They picked Snyder because he's a cheap Michael Bay, they want Transformers.

That's unfair, Snyder is a messy, shallow filmmaker but he's also more interesting and far more adventurous, whether consciously or not, than people give him credit for (but then I'd argue so is Bay, at least from a market and technical point of view even if his films do give you headaches and have wretched politics).

I think Richard Brody from The New Yorker hit the nail on the head re. Snyder in his BvS review: He called Snyder's films "silly but potent, shallow but thrilling" and argues "Snyder makes a far more engaging film than Christopher Nolan ever did because Nolan presumes to know and to show, whereas Snyder wants to see. Even his slender philosophical world seems like he’s discovering it, not delivering it." Nolan sprinkles all his films with just enough zeitgeist-y fairy dust for them to seem cutting edge, but really he's incredibly conservative, both in his storytelling and his politics. 

(Link to that Brody review: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/batman-v-superman-is-democrats-vs-republicans)

Edited March 30, 2016 by Winslow Leach

[ThomThomDrum]

Trainspotting 2 to start shooting in May. 

Hope they do a good job.

[WS_Jack_III]

5 hours ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

I think it's even better if you've read it - although there's loads missing in the film (there had to be otherwise it'd have been 6 hours long).

We have it at the school library where i work but it's always out. The 6th formers are always reading it.

 

5 hours ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

I think Flash is awful. Gave up two thirds of way through season 1. It's just bad American soap opera, but with a super hero. Some of the acting is atrocious. Never seen Arrow or Supergirl, but I nearly didn't bother with Daredevil cos of how bad other Superhero series have been. 

Daredevil is fantastic, I've nearly finished season 2. Jessica Jone was good but i didn't like it as much. Agents of Shield is fantastic too, i need to catch up on season 3. Then there's Agent Carter to catch up on which has ridiculously high approval ratings.