More POP at Reading/Leeds

[rug568]

It will be an extremely sad day when i listen to Zane Lowe announcing the line up in March and hearing him say Example, Labinth, Ellie goulding, etc.

[kaosmark2]

See, to me I reckon pop is a style that involves a catchy melody/riff/beat, is under 4 minutes long and has lyrics.

'Poppy' as an adjective can actually be useful, it defines that there's a fairly accessible element to a band's sound. Combine 'pop' or similar with other terms and it can help in explaining a style of music. Just like any other term or genre. And just like other terms and genres, there's arguments over what defines it. Doesn't mean there's no use whatsoever.

[adam1234]

Why do people say that R&L wont have pop because V is the weekend before and then say they will have more dance when its the same weekend as Creamfields? I find that strange

[eFestivals]

By definition yes.

However peoples' perception of genres of music means they would not class a band like Metallica as pop music.

The only people who do define the likes of Foos and Metallica as pop music are trying desperately to sound clever.

Nope.

people reject the pop label because of their own snobbery. They want t feel that they're listening to something special and different, and to something which is theirs. If what they're listening to is a mass-market product then it cannot be special or different or theirs.

And guess what? The likes of Metallica and the Foos is very much designed as that mass market product. It is pop music created by design, it's very purpose. It is product; it is not art.

The only people who refuse to allow the likes of Foos and Metallica to be defined as pop are desperately trying to sound clever, but are really displaying their daftness.

Edited November 15, 2012 by eFestivals

[thetime]

Why do people say that R&L wont have pop because V is the weekend before and then say they will have more dance when its the same weekend as Creamfields? I find that strange

[AcademicPistol]

And guess what? The likes of Metallica and the Foos is very much designed as that mass market product. It is pop music created by design, it's very purpose. It is product; it is not art.

[thetime]

Another shining example of how broad the term pop is, you can call Metallica pop and you can call Justin Beiber pop and both statements would be correct. I thought the idea of a genre was to help record shops (back in the day) know what albums to put next to each other.

[mrtourette]

I don't think pop is necessarily a term of abuse or distaste, ask any 9 year-old who likes Jesse J, One Direction and Katy Perry what type of music they like the pop would be the most accurate, because over the last 15 or so years it has become widely used to describe that type of music. As jump pointed out what else is it generally referred to as? It may not be 'right' but alongside the traditional use and as kaosmark pointed out the adjective 'poppy' using the word pop to describe a genre is a legitimate use of the word both by those who choose to use it as an insult and by those who embrace it.

I can't see how different it is to 'indie', what was indie 30 years ago is completely different to what it is used to describe now. It used to technically mean music released on an independent label, which given that the type of music released on independent labels back then in the area that the phrase was used was generally similar in sound or attitude sort of made sense. However over time music has changed, the music industry had changed and independent labels have changed so now those parameters don't apply and indie is now used to desribe a particular sound rather than attitude/label status, and there are bands described as indie that aren't according to the original use and bands that are that you would never desribe as indie by today's standards.

Britney Spears was technically pop and indie, given that her label at the time was technically an independent label. I think that's a good example of how unhelpful it is to insist on using the old definition while refusing to accept (or at least acknowledge) that the terms have been adopted for different meanings. Someone saying 'I hate pop' and getting the response 'ha, no you don't because technically Metallica are pop, gotcha!' is daft as nowadys pop, as with indie, has different meanings.

If our society and culture has chosen to evole the meaning of a word to modern standards then who is anyone to say it's 'incorrect' to the point of telling anyone who uses it in the new way that they are wrong?

Edited November 15, 2012 by mrtourette

[AcademicPistol]

I can't see how different it is to 'indie'

[mrtourette]

They have and will, every time someone uses pop to describe a genre someone will pipe up with "well actually you're wrong because pop means any popular music blah blah blah".

[AcademicPistol]

I see, instead they should say "well actually your definition of pop music is different to mine".

It's weird how all the others main genres have loads of sub genres and then those sub genres have sub genres, this doesn't happen to pop. It's constant. Eternal

[thetime]

I see, instead they should say "well actually your definition of pop music is different to mine".

It's weird how all the others main genres have loads of sub genres and then those sub genres have sub genres, this doesn't happen to pop. It's constant. Eternal

[eFestivals]

It's weird how all the others main genres have loads of sub genres and then those sub genres have sub genres, this doesn't happen to pop.

it's an attempt to mislead people into thinking pop isn't pop. Make it sound special and con the punters.

[mrtourette]

I see, instead they should say "well actually your definition of pop music is different to mine".

It's weird how all the others main genres have loads of sub genres and then those sub genres have sub genres, this doesn't happen to pop. It's constant. Eternal

Edited November 15, 2012 by mrtourette

[thetime]

it's an attempt to mislead people into thinking pop isn't pop. Make it sound special and con the punters.

[eFestivals]

It works for most people, perception is reality.

yep, most people prefer their delusions to the reality - it makes them feel like they're cool.

[mrtourette]

It's all a conspiracy, having a convenient villian (pop) to dislike in turn reinforces my bonds with what I foolishly consider anti-pop music and encourages me to buy more records to give myself a better sense of satisfcation that I'm getting even further and further away from pop, when in fact I'm lining the same pockets as those who don't care or are unaware of this capitalist evil and who happily buy pop music for what it is.

I am part of the evil machine no matter what I like and therefore vow to illegally download all music so as not to line the pockets of corporate fat cats and encourage such scandalous schemes to blossom.

Edited November 15, 2012 by mrtourette

[jump]

Why do people say that R&L wont have pop because V is the weekend before and then say they will have more dance when its the same weekend as Creamfields? I find that strange

[AcademicPistol]

yep, most people prefer their delusions to the reality - it makes them feel like they're cool.

[eFestivals]

We are all a bit delusional, those who think they are not, are the most deluded of all.

Absolutely. And the least delusional are those who know they're delusional and know where their delusions are.

[mrtourette]

What if, in an attempt to be more aware of my delusions and therefore less deluded, I deluded myslef into thinking that I was delusional about something that I wasn't while being completely unaware of what I was actually delusional about. Would that make me more or less delusional/deluded?

[AcademicPistol]

Absolutely. And the least delusional are those who know they're delusional and know where their delusions are.

[Andy0808 v3.0]

yeh but i only like bands who have frontmen in the NME cool list, i'm too hip to be pop

[jump]

yeh but i only like bands who have frontmen in the NME cool list, i'm too hip to be pop

[Andy0808 v3.0]

Sexist! A woman can be just as good as a male lead singer, unfortunately Paramore being the biggest female front band at the mo isn't doing anything to help unprove that myth.