no doubt about it, Ian Watkins is a nonce

[mrtourette]

capitol punishment is a subject I have a hard time making my mind upon. Where the evidence is irrefutable, for instance, if someone were to make video footage of themselves engaging in sexual acts with someone far too young. If you could also obtain DNA evidence to back up the video AND have the victim testify in court, then that to me is 3 pieces of evidence strong enough that you could take strong action. wether or not that action should be to end the life of a criminal or not is where I am torn.

On the one hand, if you do choose to go with murdering the perpetrator, you would have the benefits of not having to worry about the criminal reoffending (and potentially harming more innocent people when released), you wouldn't have the same burden on the tax payer, it would be one less person in our overcrowded prisons

On the other hand, there would inevitably be abuses of the system and there would be some innocent lives lost.

the biggest factor to me, is how many innocent lives would we lose through abuses of the system and wrongful convictions, against how many innocent lives are currently lost/severely affected at the hands of reoffenders. that is something I would genuinely be interested in finding out.

Edited December 24, 2012 by mrtourette

[the wonderwhy]

Why are people using "an eye for an eye" as reasoning for capital punishment when the whole point of the quote is its the basis of the argument AGAINST?

[thetime]

Just castrate the sick bastards. This kind of thing is all over twitter at the moment and other than putting a gun to their head it's the only appropriate punishment

[jump]

Why are people using "an eye for an eye" as reasoning for capital punishment when the whole point of the quote is its the basis of the argument AGAINST?

[Andre91]

All I will say is that if you take away somebody's right to live, then you no longer have the right either, it is not yours to take. And life sentences should be for life, not 20 something years. The only time murderers, rapists, paedophiles should leave prison is when they have died, they are a danger to the rest of society.

Just my opinion, some will disagree, but it won't change my mindset on the matter. I understand arguments against capitol punishment, I'm not some bigot but I've stated my feelings about it and that's all I'll do on the matter

[mrtourette]

The original principle of an "eye for an eye" had nothing to do with the quote "eye for an eye makes the whole world blind", it was an old timey law.

Edited December 24, 2012 by mrtourette

[2rare2die]

How does that stop the offending? Its there minds that makes them have these thoughts, not there manhoods.

There mind triggers there urges, which trigger there ahem...so how would castration stop it?

[thetime]

All I will say is that if you take away somebody's right to live, then you no longer have the right either, it is not yours to take. And life sentences should be for life, not 20 something years. The only time murderers, rapists, paedophiles should leave prison is when they have died, they are a danger to the rest of society.

Just my opinion, some will disagree, but it won't change my mindset on the matter. I understand arguments against capitol punishment, I'm not some bigot but I've stated my feelings about it and that's all I'll do on the matter

Edited December 24, 2012 by thetime

[jump]

Your feelings are wrong though and still not commented on wronful convictions on your stance of the death penalty.

Will be interested to hear it?[/quote

Why are do you think their feelings are wrong tho? They said people who serve life sentences should be in prison for the rest of their life and not released before then.

[AcademicPistol]

As Gandhi said "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind"

Saying that, personally some crimes seem so horrific that they deserve a stronger punishment than inprisonment, however, i am neither for or against capital punishment

[thetime]

This is what I agree with.

Im on about the meat heads who think there should be a death penakty when theres still wrongful convictions going on.

[conners]

How does that stop the offending? Its there minds that makes them have these thoughts, not there manhoods.

There mind triggers there urges, which trigger

there ahem...so how would castration stop it?

[Yellow_Fellow]

The purpose of the justice system should be retribution, not Old Testament style punishment. It's 2012.

[Andre91]

Your feelings are wrong though and still not commented on wronful convictions on your stance of the death penalty.

Will be interested to hear it?

[thetime]

Honestly, I've never really thought about wrongful conviction until you brought it up

But I think that it is terrible there are wrongful convictions and it is very unfortunate when it happens. In terms of death penalty, I think it should be investigated until they have proved it was the accused, whether that takes 6 months or 6 years.

[jump]

I think people who make wrongful convictions should be hanged, and so should the people who live above my flat and decided to use their washing machine at 3am!

[thetime]

I think people who make wrongful convictions should be hanged

[mrtourette]

Stefan kiszko served 16 years before being found innocent.

Edited December 24, 2012 by mrtourette

[jump]

Just proves how crackers you are.

[2rare2die]

The purpose of the justice system should be retribution, not Old Testament style punishment. It's 2012.

[Yellow_Fellow]

But at the minute it's focus seems to be on rehabilitation, rather than the threat of punishment as a possible deterrent. Like I've said, I don't believe corporal or capital punishment is the answer, but neither do I think the judicial system is working in it's current state.

[thetime]

Wrongfully convicted in the 70's. I'd be interested in some more recent cases of wrongful conviction

Edited December 24, 2012 by thetime

[2rare2die]

if there's crime it isn't working - but the solution is a social one not one of the prisons. deterrence doesn't actually do much, see; America.

[jump]

if there's crime it isn't working - but the solution is a social one not one of the prisons. deterrence doesn't actually do much, see; America.

[mrtourette]

Sally Clark 1999, or is that to far back? Theres nothing to suggest its not still happening. Theres no doubt in my mind people will keep being released from small sentences to huge long sentences because og wrongful convictions.

In a few cases the state killed them anyway, how ling did kiszko and clark last once released? Answer not very long.