no doubt about it, Ian Watkins is a nonce

[thetime]

Lostprophets never exactly changed the musical landscape a-la Michael Jackson or The Who, did they?

Edited November 27, 2013 by thetime

[FloorFiller]

So if they did it would be okay then?

I'm not a lost prophets fan but how can watermens child porn crimes be acceptable to see him live and listen to his music when it's not for lost prophets.

If we're going by how it will effect victims, watermen is arguably worse as Watkins was babies. Children older will no doubt suffer bigger scars than say babies.

As sickening as it is child porn offences are on a rise, it's a crazy crazy world and the internet has a lot to answer for.

[thetime]

i edited my post as i saw how it sounded like i was defending 'better' musicians, which i am not. and i think you mean Pete Townshend, the guitarist of The Who, and not Pete Waterman, the record producer?

saying that Townshend is worse is a ridiculous argument, especially for the reason you give - because the kids will remember it. did he ever physically assault or abuse a child (that we know of)? no. Watkins did, multiple times, ergo, in my opinion, Watkins' is the much worse of two evils. plus, Townshend was found not guilty / was cautioned. i guess you can take that how you want, but his crimes were miles behind Watkins'

Edited November 27, 2013 by thetime

[FloorFiller]

Yes Townsend, the argument I'm using is doesn't matter if Townsend didn't physically abuse what he viewed someone did abuse them.

If there wasn't a platform these kids wouldn't be abused in the first place. Is the likes of Townsend a victimless crime? No the kids are still getting abused so the people viewing can get there sexual gratification.

Not worse but as bad should be the correct way of describing it.

[jump]

I wonder if we'll see any victims come forward and try to get compensation if there were any vicitms that weren't babies.

[eFestivals]

Townshend is a weird one as his whole 'i did it for research story' somewhat pans out (as he'd released essays etc against how readily available child pornography was on the internet years beforehand) but you've got to think, how can somebody be so stupid as to go to that website AND pay on a credit card to enter the website. he was let off with a warning as the police found nothing incriminating on his computer, but who knows? i somewhat believe his story, but obviously a lot of people don't. but apart from a bill on his credit card, there was no hard evidence, whereas with Watkins' that's obviously not the case

Not quite all correct.

Townsend got an official caution (which classes as a criminal record, tho at a low level). He was not "let off with a warning".

[thetime]

I wonder if we'll see any victims come forward and try to get compensation if there were any vicitms that weren't babies.

[lharris92]

maybe a small suggestion - this thread gets moved as can hardly see how its relevant to r&l any more.

[jump]

maybe a small suggestion - this thread gets moved as can hardly see how its relevant to r&l any more.

[FloorFiller]

Not quite all correct.

Townsend got an official caution (which classes as a criminal record, tho at a low level). He was not "let off with a warning".

[zahidf]

Well you can imagine he's had sex with a few under age groupies.

[Gre]

He defintiely has: part of the conviction is sex with 16 year olds

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Yes Townsend, the argument I'm using is doesn't matter if Townsend didn't physically abuse what he viewed someone did abuse them.

If there wasn't a platform these kids wouldn't be abused in the first place. Is the likes of Townsend a victimless crime? No the kids are still getting abused so the people viewing can get there sexual gratification.

Not worse but as bad should be the correct way of describing it.

[lost]

Genuine question; I thought the age of consent in the UK was 16. Does it change when one of the participants is a 'full grown adult', or is the issue in this case that the act with the 16yr old (that had been described in many of the reports) took place in New York where the age of consent is higher?

[Rufus Gwertigan]

always picking up on my paraphrasing aren't you Neil

still though, criminal record though it may be, if they really suspected any real foul play a lot more would've come of it. the man's an idiot. a huge fucking idiot. but i don't believe he's a pedophile nor has interest in that kind of thing

[lightning1000]

If you read the full article you'd see the sex with a 16 year old was in America in New york. A fan had travelled from Boston USA not Boston UK.

The legal age of consent in America is 18 I believe? In France its 14.

[jump]

If you read the full article you'd see the sex with a 16 year old was in America in New york. A fan had travelled from Boston USA not Boston UK.

The legal age of consent in America is 18 I believe? In France its 14.

[mrtourette]

Yeah would a caution issued in this country extend to charges against him in another?

[VCK]

One thing I've wondered from this, is that if he's a crack addict?

[the wonderwhy]

Judges, unlike juries, are considered to be incapable of influence. Therefore extra 'background' information that may not have been disclosed in a trial cannot be published before a jury has reached its verdict as it might influence the jury and would be contempt of court.

However after someone has either pleaded guilty, or been found guilty, all that remains is the judge so the media is free to publish additional, unreported, background.

[Gre]

Wouldn't he have to be extradited to the US to be charge for that tho?

[pink_triangle]

Doesn't work like that though pink I'm afraid, people will still put stars on a pedestal. Have people put The Who's albums in the bin? Christ people still want them to headline festivals, people may sat Pete watermen crimes were no where near as bad but kids are abused for these people to view.

Then you have jacko still put on a pedestal, then you have glitter who has been chastised.

It's never quite so simple.

[jump]

I dont have anything by the Who, Michael Jackson or Gary Glitter in my collection, so it would be difficult for me to comment on that. However anyone I put on a pedestal would be knocked off the second they pleaded guilty to what Watkins has done. I dont think I could get any enjoyment from listening to someone knowing what they had done to children.

Edited November 27, 2013 by jump

[LondonTom]

One thing I've wondered from this, is that if he's a crack addict?

[jump]

Nah...Crystal Meth...he "couldn't remember" that he had abused the baby aside from the tapes and texts to prove he had.