no doubt about it, Ian Watkins is a nonce

[feral chile]

or perhaps just an opportunities thing.

Society, for whatever reason, has a proportion of sick fuckers. If one of those sick fuckers ends up being a pop star then extra opportunities mighty be available to him that wouldn't otherwise have been.

Is paedophilia about power? Or is it a 'normal' sexual desire targeted at an un-normal age range?

I'd always thought that it was mostly the 2nd of those, but now you've got me thinking I've been mistaken.

[feral chile]

It sounds to me like a taboo thing, perhaps he got off on doing the most depraved things, the forbidden fruit so to speak. Reportedly he was completely straight edge up until a couple of years ago, didn't touch any drink or drugs, then he started taking drugs and that's when the crimes started. His obsession could have been with wrongdoing itself, the things he's done are so over-the-top that it makes me think he was out to do the sickest things he could, the wronger the better. A lesser poster would make the link to the outsider identity of being in an emo rock band as a precedent for these urges... but yours truly is better than that.

Just for the record; my above musings are not based on anything academic whatsoever, I left school at 16 with shit GCSEs, so I have no educational background on anything psychological.

[feral chile]

Its a form of fetish from what I can make out. Its part of the person As someone posted above a couple of hundred years ago no one would of cared. So I struggle with the concept that its just full stop wrong to find a young adult attractive. It gets harder to understand when they are like 13 and younger for example. Hence the stance in law.

But as a modern society we have decided to expect full grown adults to have some grasp over their urges due to the vulnerability of the ages involved. And sure you can help people control these urges via treatment.

I think the whole thing is fucked up. Both the level of abuse that can go on to the public opinion that treats someone who viewed an image the same way as someone like Watkins.

I think what Watkins did though would of been viewed as vile, wrong and fucking evil no matter what century we was living in. It went beyond sex as I said above. It was all about abuse and power which is something way beyond as simple urge / fetish.

[Spindles]

The Louis Theroux documentary certainly suggested that chemical castration, phsychotherapy combined with a drug regime and support network was a successful method of rehabilitating paedophiles with an extremely high success rate and minimal re-offending.

[bunique]

Two posts that rang truest for me - one earlier where someone was describing how outside their frame of reference this is that it's almost unbelievable. And Rufus' post about this being just one amongst thousands. I read this stuff everyday at work but the news reports yesterday made me nauseous. Utter depravity.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I don't think there's a cure. I remember there was a case of a man begging for drug treatment to control his urges, because he knew he wasn't safe around kids. He was refused treatment, and he did reoffend.

This Ian Watkins thing isn't like that though, he wasn't sounding like a tortured soul riddled with shame desperately wishing himself different. He seems to have been revelling in the depravity and cruelty of it.

you notice today is a day when I'm decidedly less Welsh than usual.

[feral chile]

For there to be a "cure" there has to be an identifiable problem and as you mentioned there is no one size fits all profile. The charity I was working with sponsored a scheme alongside the Probation Service for a counselling service for offenders. Those chosen had to meet a strict criteria and desire not to reoffend. Unfortunately funding was pulled in the cuts, even though my work was unpaid.

The system is set up purely for punishment and there is no incentive at all for most to rehabilitate. For most a conviction follows them for life and it becomes hopeless. I do sometimes if for some release should even be an answer as an institution can provide a place of safety.

[Kowalski]

He was shagging Fearne Cotton so the warning signs were there that he liked small boys.

[eFestivals]

He was shagging Fearne Cotton so the warning signs were there that he liked small boys.

[jump]

'H' from steps is getting an awful lot of stick about all this, has had to come of twitter and media outlets putting his photo up instead.

[russycarps]

He was shagging Fearne Cotton so the warning signs were there that he liked small boys.

[LondonTom]

I do it find it weird that people get so angry at someone yet aren't even involved enough to know who it actually is.

Edited November 28, 2013 by LondonTom

[swede]

He was shagging Fearne Cotton so the warning signs were there that he liked small boys.

[russycarps]

this thing in bristol about the murder of that iranian the mob thought was a paedophile is absolutely shocking. Really upsetting. Those awful, awful c**ts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25139185

Heads should roll at the police too, they wont of course.

Imagine how terrifying it is to be threatened with death, calling the police and they ignore your cry of help, and even make out like you are in the wrong, Horrific.

Edited November 28, 2013 by russycarps

[the wonderwhy]

this thing in bristol about the murder of that iranian the mob thought was a paedophile is absolutely shocking. Really upsetting. Those awful, awful c**ts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-25139185

Heads should roll at the police too, they wont of course.

Imagine how terrifying it is to be threatened with death, calling the police and they ignore your cry of help, and even make out like you are in the wrong, Horrific.

[mrtourette]

HMV have ditched Lostprophets- told staff to remove all CDs from sale.

[russycarps]

There were a few police officers referred to the IPCC I think, but you're right it probably won't go further than that.

HMV have ditched Lostprophets- told staff to remove all CDs from sale.

[the wonderwhy]

shit meant to put that last post in the "general news" thread

OT, I thought HMV went kaput??

[Guest]

In the same way your born hetrosexual/gay

[feral chile]

that's still not known. Would it be wrong to choose to be gay?

[rachbon]

People who have either worked on the case or seen the details have said that it's the worst abuse they've ever seen. At least the guilty plea means that the jury don't need to see the evidence. He must have known he'd be found guilty due to the video evidence so decided to change his plea. I hope it doesn't get him a shorter sentence, anyone who can drug and assault babies is clearly too dangerous to ever be allowed out of prison

People seem to be going a bit mental about the two women's identities not being released, clearly not giving a fuck that it is necessary to ensure that the victims identities are protected.

[MJMilz14]

People who have either worked on the case or seen the details have said that it's the worst abuse they've ever seen. At least the guilty plea means that the jury don't need to see the evidence. He must have known he'd be found guilty due to the video evidence so decided to change his plea. I hope it doesn't get him a shorter sentence, anyone who can drug and assault babies is clearly too dangerous to ever be allowed out of prison

People seem to be going a bit mental about the two women's identities not being released, clearly not giving a fuck that it is necessary to ensure that the victims identities are protected.

[bunique]

They will already remember, just not in the same way as an older child

[thetime]

People seem to be going a bit mental about the two women's identities not being released, clearly not giving a fuck that it is necessary to ensure that the victims identities are protected.

[eFestivals]

People seem to be going a bit mental about the two women's identities not being released, clearly not giving a fuck that it is necessary to ensure that the victims identities are protected.

The Guardian are reporting today that Peaches Geldorf is in trouble for naming them on twitter.

While I'm certainly not condoning her doing that, I reckon the CPS will have great difficulty making a charge against her stick - because the names are in the public domain only because the court initially released the names when they were first charged.

I read those names in one of the first news reports I read at that time - and then got rather confused when later articles said they couldn't be named. But they were just names that meant nothing to me so they didn't stick.... but as it happens I've come across those names via a completely different (private) route since, and one of them is now very stuck in my head.