no doubt about it, Ian Watkins is a nonce

[Guest]

They certainly don't have ethical guidelines drawn up, as certain professions do, and they're already in an adrenaline fuelled, alcohol and drug influenced environment, and sexual prowess and success is usually part of the whole image.

A bit like politicians I suppose. Do they have ethical guidelines?

[[joke]]

[eFestivals]

yeh but there is stuff on there saying he has aids etc, which we know not to be true so there are definitely some lies on there.

Ahhh true, i'd forgotten that part. That's certainly out of the ball park for what's proven.

[eFestivals]

Are you allowed to negative vote, seeing as people aren't allowed to do it to you?

yep. That's how the software has been designed, it's not something I've contrived.

[eFestivals]

All men are equal, but some are more equal than others, eh?

Yep.

If the forum software was my creation rather than bought-in I would have made everything equal where it was possible to be equal (obviously, some things an admin does have to be kept away from the oiks).... but building, maintaining and developing something that's pretty complex would take way more time than I have, so I dropped the forum software I'd written myself well over ten years ago now.

[kaosmark2]

Yep.

If the forum software was my creation rather than bought-in I would have made everything equal where it was possible to be equal (obviously, some things an admin does have to be kept away from the oiks).... but building, maintaining and developing something that's pretty complex would take way more time than I have, so I dropped the forum software I'd written myself well over ten years ago now.

[eFestivals]

You could go back to using your Neill account that doesn't have all those privileges

having to keep logging in and out is too much of a pain in the arse when things are busy. I tried doing that before, and gave up.

[kaosmark2]

having to keep logging in and out is too much of a pain in the arse when things are busy. I tried doing that before, and gave up.

[eFestivals]

What happened with the new job btw? Did you miss this place or something happen on that end?

Still doing it. Scott's on holiday this week, so here's getting more of my time at the mo.

[zero000]

The first comment is horrible. It seems like he was hiding in plain sight as it were.

http://www.gigwise.com/news/86830/ian-watkins-made-babygirl-and-heroin-jokes-in-2010-fan-interview

[russycarps]

I'm finding it harder to believe the band didnt know to be honest, if he was being that blatant about it.

[Osama Jim Laden]

It's very hard to believe they knew nothing, if they did they'll be hating themselves forever now though for not speaking out..

I only thought there were three in the band, a 5 piece keeping quiet over these allegations.. It just don't add up..

[Zammo]

It's very hard to believe they knew nothing, if they did they'll be hating themselves forever now though for not speaking out..

I only thought there were three in the band, a 5 piece keeping quiet over these allegations.. It just don't add up..

[eFestivals]

that claim about having to re-write the album could be easily checked out I guess.

Edited December 13, 2013 by eFestivals

[feral chile]

http://www.chrisspivey.co.uk/watkins-blame-the-internet/

Check the comment from Miss M, (joanne nikita majic) The woman who tried repeatedly to report him to S Wales police.

[LondonTom]

That kind of sounds like denial though from the band really? Rather than thinking its true. It'd be a pretty hard thing to accept about anyone you was close to if you was told they was a Peado.

(EDIT: Saying that if they did re-recorded tracks, that sounds like they had accepted it as true.)

Edited December 13, 2013 by LondonTom

[feral chile]

That kind of sounds like denial though from the band really? Rather than thinking its true. It'd be a pretty hard thing to accept about anyone you was close to if you was told they was a Peado.

[russycarps]

well if they did know (which seems more and more likely to me) they are going to have to live with the fact they did nothing about it for the rest of their lives. That will not be easy.

IF they did know about it all, I wouldnt be surprised if one of them topped themselves over it. How could you live with yourself?

[eFestivals]

All that shows is that the band were aware that someone was making allegations, they could well have dismissed them out of hand if they thought this woman was unstable or a trouble maker.

getting told something doesn't equate to knowing it's true.

absolutely correct .... but have you seen that video of the the whole band being interviewed that someone linked to earlier?

That looks very much to me like a 'knowing' reaction to Watkins' words.

When you put together all the various bits and pieces it becomes hard to believe that they had zero awareness of at least some of the nasties of what was going on.

The claims of exchanged texts by Majic, and the claim of lyrics having to be re-written are factual things that could be checked out, and give proof to those claims ... tho I guess from the view of the authorities there's not a lot of point in doing so.

I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of the band knowing and doing nothing, but then again most of us are likely to know of some illegality going on which we choose to not report, and at the end of the day from a moral standpoint they could be said to be identical (tho of course the crimes known to be happening are not).

Where any identicalness on that basis falls down - in my own head, anyway - is that the 'illegalities' that I'm aware of are for things where my opinion is that the law's an arse (they are wrongly implemented laws, or that pursuing a conviction is worthless for society), and I doubt there's many people who think the laws to do with protecting children from predatory sex abuse are broadly wrong.

[eFestivals]

Yes, but it's a bit harsh to say they knew what he was doing, with hindsight we now know, but if there had been no evidence, they would seem like pretty wild and extreme claims. And if Ian Watkins was able to convincingly laugh them off, who would they believe?

One outrageous claim from one person can be easily shrugged off as false, but when there's claims coming from more than one direction as there clearly was in this case it gets harder to brush them aside.

However, Waktins managed to convince a court that Majic was stalking/harassing him resulting in her being given a restraining order, and I guess that became very good cover for any other claims which then cropped up.

Belief in what Majic said probably wasn't helped buy some of what she chose to do for a living, which will have given plenty of people the easy chance to think of her as an oddball and so ignore what she said - exactly as the police themselves did.

I guess that the "'knowing' reaction" I said above could just as easily be the band thinking that Watkins was playing up to the allegations that had been made about him, rather than them taking the words as full-truth.

From what's posted in that thread about Watkins it suggests that his standard thing was to say that just about everyone (apart from the person he was speaking to at that moment) was a nutter making stuff up. If you don't become aware that he says that about everyone then it becomes easy enough to go with his claim.

Edited December 13, 2013 by eFestivals

[feral chile]

absolutely correct .... but have you seen that video of the the whole band being interviewed that someone linked to earlier?

That looks very much to me like a 'knowing' reaction to Watkins' words.

When you put together all the various bits and pieces it becomes hard to believe that they had zero awareness of at least some of the nasties of what was going on.

The claims of exchanged texts by Majic, and the claim of lyrics having to be re-written are factual things that could be checked out, and give proof to those claims ... tho I guess from the view of the authorities there's not a lot of point in doing so.

I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of the band knowing and doing nothing, but then again most of us are likely to know of some illegality going on which we choose to not report, and at the end of the day from a moral standpoint they could be said to be identical (tho of course the crimes known to be happening are not).

Where any identicalness on that basis falls down - in my own head, anyway - is that the 'illegalities' that I'm aware of are for things where my opinion is that the law's an arse (they are wrongly implemented laws, or that pursuing a conviction is worthless for society), and I doubt there's many people who think the laws to do with protecting children from predatory sex abuse are broadly wrong.

[feral chile]

before we knew of the evidence, I had assumed all that had happened was that Watkins was making obscene and inappropriate, tasteless comments/jokes that had been blown out of proportion. I never dreamt he'd actually meant any of the things he was supposed to have been inciting the women to do.

Now of course, his true viciousness has been exposed.

[FloorFiller]

so he's getting sentenced today. this will be interesting

on a side note, i was quite a big fan of the band when they were recording The Betrayed (the one that's lyrics were apparently re-written) and it got delayed over and over again - possibly due to the lyrics having to be re-written for this exact reason

it's hard to believe that somebody would be so arrogant as to write lyrics to an album (a follow up to a number one album, as well) that detail his horrific crimes, but it really does seem like he was pushing the boundaries of just how far he could go hiding in plain sight - as that interview shows him saying pretty blatantly that his guilty pleasure is smack (the babygirl thing has been taken out of context i think)

shame the lyrics to the album were re-written as it'd be very interesting to read / listen to them now

* also, reading through the Wiki page of that album (and i remember reading in Kerrang!) there was a song that was scrapped called 'What Seems To Be The Problem Officer?'. wonder what that one was about!

Edited December 18, 2013 by FloorFiller

[FloorFiller]

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/live-lostprophets-ian-watkins-sentenced-6415935

trial as it happens

the defence is utter shite - stuff like 'he's not the first rock star to get carried away with the appreciation of fans' and 'he was bombarded with proposals from fans'

[eFestivals]

The IPCC...

"... now have three separate independent investigations into South Wales, South Yorkshire and Bedfordshire Police running alongside each other involving the handling of information held on Mr Watkins prior to his arrest

Edited December 18, 2013 by eFestivals

[zero000]

"The court has also been told a phone call made from prison revealed Watkins had planned to make a statement saying his admission of sex offences was "megalolz"."

Then later on:

When asked if he would still issue a statement saying his conduct was "megalolz" he replied: "No, it's just lols now."

What the fuck?

Edited December 18, 2013 by zero000