Would it be 'wrong' to choose to be gay?

[feral chile]

No, the exact opposite. It doesn't matter at all. It matters so little that there's no point it all to this thread (aside from tony's original point of trying to graspd what angle the writer of that article was coming from).

Any 'flaws' that someone might attach to the fact of someone being gay (thru choice, or not) apply equally to those who are straight. It logically can't be any other way.

[Guest]

yes, the whole point is that the argument that gay people have to choose to be excluded from lots of conventional society because they choose to be different, when it's society that chooses to differentiate. And if one difference (straight) gets the goods, and another difference (gay) is denied them, that's because of the way the difference is perceived. Latent homophobia at the centre of it. Variation in itself is neutral, so why is it used to exclude one variance?

[abdoujaparov]

militant liberals

[abdoujaparov]

But its bang on at the same time... That is exactly what they are!

[Guest]

Well its the usual reasoning by the militant liberals who push so much on us but I think the general public are less sure. While people might be saying the PC stuff when nice man with clipboard is in town center asks a question its very different than the sort of stuff I come across when people are talking freely and openly.

As this thread goes to show, as soon as anyone questions anything regarding homosexuality the militants among us get all pushy

[feral chile]

but isn't the 'usual' reasoning that they (gay people) don't have a choice

Edited January 14, 2013 by feral chile

[feral chile]

Militant ones who impose their liberal agenda agreesivily... Shooting down discussion, free speech and free feeling on the subject. At the first mention of not disagreeing starts calling people hateful and bigoted.

That is militant to me...

And thanks, and try to be open and as honest as possible. Even if that pisses some people of. Just trying to be honest about my feelings while so many are scared to do that I feel.

[Ed209]

If we don't have choice, how can we believe in different things? i know we're not exposed to exactly the same stimuli, but with something like free will, shouldn't our culture and the brain's reasoning faculty produce the same conclusion?

How can you present the same argumant to a group of people and each respond differently, if they haven't chosen from alternative responses?

You are saying consciously that you don't believe in free will, but every day you act as though you do. You make decisions, and assume that your future will change because of the choices you make. You act on the illusion as if you believe in it. Doesn't the fact that you can't avoid doing that entail that it must, therefore, be a real process?

[abdoujaparov]

Militant ones who impose their liberal agenda agreesivily... Shooting down discussion, free speech and free feeling on the subject. At the first mention of not disagreeing starts calling people hateful and bigoted.

That is militant to me...

And thanks, and try to be open and as honest as possible. Even if that pisses some people of. Just trying to be honest about my feelings while so many are scared to do that I feel.

[feral chile]

Its an illusion that you make your own choices. The reality is that your brain and the chemical balance of your brain are totally a product of the genes you inherent and the stimuli it is subject to during its life time.

You think you have control over what it decides to do, but its decision process is just a sequence of chemical reactions that occur due to the present state it has evolved into over its life. It gives the illusion of choice, but its not.

I ask you to say a random number between 1 and 100, you think you are giving me a random number that you have complete freedom to choose. I think that everything in your life has culminated together to that point in time and leads the chemical reactions in your brain to pick that number. It was already decided for you.

This is what I think anyway.

I admit, its quite an uncomfortable idea, and when extrapolated to criminality, morals and the legal system has some controversial consequences as it basically removes responsibility.

[abdoujaparov]

As for taking critisim... Oh come on As if I don't... I get the fucked kicked out of me on a daily basis here LOL.

[feral chile]

I'd like to know what people think free will is, if the fact that our decisions are based on the product of our physiology and past experience rules it out.

It makes me think that people think there would need to be some kind of autonomous mind within our heads, making decisions for us. Of course decision making depends on our brain function - IS our brain function. So what? Are we denying that the brain can think now?

Edited January 14, 2013 by feral chile

[abdoujaparov]

As do yours...

[AcademicPistol]

I'd like to know what people think free will is, if the fact that our decisions are based on the product of our physiology and past experience rules it out.

It makes me think that people think there would need to be some kind of autonomous mind within our heads, making decisions for us. Of course decision making depends on our brain function - IS our brain function. So what? Are we denying that the brain can think now?

[feral chile]

I don't think there is an autonomous mind making our decisions for us, just simply our own possibly corrupt and influenced mind making us believe that our will is free.

[abdoujaparov]

You also have a very high opinion of yourself... You often think others haven't had much experience in life compared to yourself and this help you stroke your ego... It mostly makes you look at bit of self righteous cock but I think you know that...

[abdoujaparov]

But you are not always right... You often wrong...

[feral chile]

You two are bored, arent you

[eFestivals]

The second part is bollocks to some extent... Just because both might be choices doesn't make one choice as equally flawed as the other.

why not? In this particular case there absolutely nothing to say the choice to be gay is in anyway inferior to the choice to be straight.

Or are you going to invent something out of nothing at all to try to tell me differently?

[eFestivals]

Well its the usual reasoning by the militant liberals who push so much on us but I think the general public are less sure. While people might be saying the PC stuff when nice man with clipboard is in town center asks a question its very different than the sort of stuff I come across when people are talking freely and openly.

As this thread goes to show, as soon as anyone questions anything regarding homosexuality the militants among us get all pushy

ask yourself: did you chose to be the sexuality that you are?

If you say 'no' then the god you worship cannot have wanted his gay creations to be discriminated against by his straight creations.

If you say 'yes' then please show me how it's a bad or immoral choice.

[eFestivals]

As this thread goes to show, as soon as anyone questions anything regarding homosexuality the militants among us get all pushy

They are not getting "pushy", they are pushing back against the pathetic bigoted dogma that the likes of you champion.

And what is so laughable about the bigotry you champion is that you have utterly failed to give good reason for why you champion that bigotry.

[eFestivals]

I don't enforce my ideals overally on anyone else.

I'm sorry, but that's laughable.

If you personally had to make the decision about gay marriage, you've already made it clear what your decision would be. You think gay marriage is wrong, and therefore you wouldn't allow it.

Which of 'wanting gay marriage' or 'not wanting gay marriage' impacts onto other people? Only one of them does.

If gay marriage is allowed, the only people affected by it are the gay people who get married.

If gay marriage is not allowed, that's the antis imposing their ideals onto others over something w3hich does not affect them at all.

But yeah, you keep believing that you're the tolerant one.

When I say miltants I am not talking about people who are disagreeing with me. I am on about the ones who impose themselves on society in such a way that they WILL hurt you if you get in the way of their agenda.

you mean like the Christian militants, who want to hurt gay people by not allowing them to do the same thing as straights do despite the fact that it has zero impact on those antis?

[eFestivals]

You also have a very high opinion of yourself... You often think others haven't had much experience in life compared to yourself and this help you stroke your ego... It mostly makes you look at bit of self righteous cock but I think you know that...

says the man who has said that kids brought up by gays are damaged by it but who knows no children brought up by gays and who dismisses the research on this subject without having given it a glance.

Do you ever stop to think that perhaps it's you with the bigger issues barry?

[kaosmark2]

Gay marriage compared to incest by Tory MP

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/28/exclusive-defence-secretary-philip-hammond-links-incest-with-same-sex-marriage/

[Rufus Gwertigan]

Gay marriage compared to incest by Tory MP

http://www.pinknews.co.uk/2013/01/28/exclusive-defence-secretary-philip-hammond-links-incest-with-same-sex-marriage/