the EU

[eFestivals]

So .... the tories want to steal back our employment and consumer rights, while the still-unregulated bankers keep stealing the money.

There's problems with the EU both big and small, but none of those problems are the hard-fought-for employment rights or consumer laws. In the more unregulated world that the tories dream of, you'll get horse in every burger and not just some of them.

The problems of the EU are mostly the lack of democracy and the common agricultural policy, and little else. Wait and see how these are absent from Dave Moron speech in a few minutes.

It's a return to Victorian values.

We are not learning, 1939 returning.

[eFestivals]

What I missed from that first post is that immigration and immigrants claiming benefits is a non-issue, for all the while the the rich are getting richer.

[eFestivals]

Dave Moron now speaking ... here comes the bollocks designed to fool you, to set the debate about how badly the rich are being treated and how they need the poor to work harder for them so they can get even richer.

[eFestivals]

he's banging on about how "Britain's access to the single market cannot be compromised".

So why are you compromising it, Dave Moron?

[eFestivals]

He's just blamed the EU for austerity.

Dave Moron, when will you admit that it was your mates the bankers who stole all the cash, and do something about it?

[eFestivals]

He's now claiming that stealing employment and consumer rights back for the rich is "new thinking".

No Dave Moron, it's Victorian thinking.

[eFestivals]

he's now saying that a marginalised Britain will lead the EU.

[eFestivals]

He's saying it's bad that the EU commission gets larger ... but he had no problem at all increasing the size of the House of Lords by stuffing it full of his mates as a reward for their bribes to his party.

[eFestivals]

Next, he says that the EU court of justice is bad, by standing up for little people against the c**ts like himself

[eFestivals]

he's now saying how all countries need to be more self-centred and should fuck over everyone else.

1939 returning.

Edited January 23, 2013 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Dave Moron says that human rights are a bad thing.

Way to go Dave.

[eFestivals]

PMSL .... he's saying he can fuck the other countries over and then be leader of the EU. PMSL.

[eFestivals]

he's just said a bit about how great it is when we work together, and then proudly listed all the things where we don't.

1939 returning.

Edited January 23, 2013 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

he's using his favourite word, "fair".

One year he might get a dictionary for his birthday.

Edited January 23, 2013 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Dave Moron says this will be our decision to fuck ourselves over and make our working lives worse.

Look and listen to what he really means, and then make your vote.

[benc]

thanks for the commentary, i'm not listening to the speech.

he thing that worries me is that most people will fall for this, if he gets his referendum, the people will vote to leave.

[eFestivals]

thanks for the commentary, i'm not listening to the speech.

he thing that worries me is that most people will fall for this, if he gets his referendum, the people will vote to leave.

yep, that's exactly what will happen - because the electorate are stupid. They will only see what they are told has been taken from them, and not what Dave Moron wants to take from them.

[eFestivals]

he's now saying that a an EU without Britain is a waste of time ... funny, it worked quite happily for over 20 years without Britain. He even claimed that Britain invented the single market.

And he says that the interests of everyone are met by taking away the rights of everyone to not be fucked over by c**ts like him.

1939 returning.

Edited January 23, 2013 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

and the first set-up question is given to his mates at Sky.

Yeah, Dave's not been corrupted by Murdoch, oh no. It's just coincidence that Murdoch and his top employees are the bessie mates of Dave, and nothing of thios speech is what Murdoch has campigned for for decades.

This is laughable, if you pay attention to the news. If you don't, then no doubt you're cheering him on.

[eFestivals]

he's now making claims he can't deliver ....

"If I'm prime minister, you'll get this referendum".

Not if you're still in a coalition you won't, c**t.

[gary1979666]

It's a really odd speech to make. I'm a Tory and have a certain amount of cynicism about Europe, but in reality you have to make compromises. The 'powers' we're giving(!) to Europe is a small price for a seat at the table to influence (not dictate)foreign policy.

If we have a referendum, it's a scary thought for the economy if we do leave. I'm worried the public will give a no vote, as there a lot of ill feeling towards the EU.

Maybe he's being really cunning - if he thinks he's stuffed at the next election, then he's promising this to scupper keep his place as leader and bugger labour up in the next term when they don't have the referendum, making Europe a pain in Miliband's arse.

[benc]

If we have a referendum, it's a scary thought for the economy if we do leave. I'm worried the public will give a no vote, as there a lot of ill feeling towards the EU.

Edited January 23, 2013 by benc

[eFestivals]

I'm worried the public will give a no vote, as there a lot of ill feeling towards the EU.

There's a lot of ill-feeling towards the EU, yep - but he didn't address anything of what causes that ill-feeling, instead setting the debate around the things which best suit his city mates.

The democracy that would give the British people a say in the EU is not any part of his plans, and nor is addressing the common agrigultural policy, cos his landowning mates won't like that.

Instead we get Little Britianism for the benefit of his mates, and nothing for the benefit of the British people.

[zahidf]

The question is what Ed milliband should do.

I think that the Labour position should be to tell the voters who want a referendum that they’re idiots, and to tell the voters who are considering voting UKIP that they’re bigots.

That’s why I’d never go into politics.

[Wooderson]

I don't think theres the will or strength on the pro-Europe side to defeat this. Insane a concept as it appears to me sitting on the outside I think yis already have one foot out the door and have done for ages.

There will be ramifications for this in Ireland most certainly. No love for the EU over here at present. Populist chancers might sieze this moment aswell.

Will there be a knock on effect in Scotland for this though? Could it lend the debate there an extra facet?