the EU

[eFestivals]

I'm just hearing that w*nker Grants Snapps giving his opinion on Moron's speech - he's pointing out how hugely welcomed it is by big business.

And if those words don't make the stupid wise up to protect their rights by voting against c**tish Dave, nothing will.

[eFestivals]

The question is what Ed milliband should do.

If he's smart he'll start speaking up today, so that Dave Moron doesn't get to control the debate.

All he needs to do is put together a minute's video montage of some of Dave Moron's speech along with some snippets from those who are supportuing what was said in that speech.

These people are giving it all away - they're making clear that it's all about doing favours to big businesses by taking away the not-outrageous rights of ordinary people.

But too many people have taken in what Murdoch has been telling them for 30 years, that the EU is a failure, that there's nothing good about it, and that we should hand over all power to Mur5doch instead.

This is the same Murdoch who has been recently-ish exposed as trying to buy himself a US President, and who only the stupid think he's not already bought the last four British PMs (and Salmond in Scotland).

Let's do what Dave says and vote Murdoch, that'll sort this country out.

Edited January 23, 2013 by eFestivals

[mrtourette]

I think David Camoron sound better than Dave Moron. A bit more subtle.

[eFestivals]

I think David Camoron sound better than Dave Moron. A bit more subtle.

nah, that would be me giving him almost the name he gave himself - Dave WebCam Moron. I think it took him a few weeks to cotton on to the name he'd given himself, but he soon dropped it.

[eFestivals]

PS - and anyway, who needs to be subtle about raving right wing c**ts?

[grumpyhack]

The last refuge of the desperate is to appeal to the 'Little Englanders' (I say England rather than Briton as hopefully the Socts and Welsh don't fall for it).

[lost]

It's a really odd speech to make. I'm a Tory and have a certain amount of cynicism about Europe, but in reality you have to make compromises. The 'powers' we're giving(!) to Europe is a small price for a seat at the table to influence (not dictate)foreign policy.

If we have a referendum, it's a scary thought for the economy if we do leave. I'm worried the public will give a no vote, as there a lot of ill feeling towards the EU.

Maybe he's being really cunning - if he thinks he's stuffed at the next election, then he's promising this to scupper keep his place as leader and bugger labour up in the next term when they don't have the referendum, making Europe a pain in Miliband's arse.

[benc]

MIllband should make his position clear soonish - he'll have the support of big business (as much a bad thing as a good!)

could the next election be fought over a single issue?

[TheGayTent]

could the next election be fought over a single issue?

[eFestivals]

It usually is and it's usually the economy...

which of course will get to mean that Dave Moron won't have the mandate to renegotiate the UK's position with the EU as he's claiming he will.

Mind you, his whole speech was full of shit. He made an absolute promise that if he's Prime Minister he'll be doing everything he said, and yet that's an impossible promise if he's PM of a coalition again (which looks likely, if he's PM at all).

Edited January 23, 2013 by eFestivals

[lost]

MIllband should make his position clear soonish - he'll have the support of big business (as much a bad thing as a good!)

could the next election be fought over a single issue?

[LondonTom]

The last refuge of the desperate is to appeal to the 'Little Englanders' (I say England rather than Briton as hopefully the Socts and Welsh don't fall for it).

[TheGayTent]

that's an impossible promise if he's PM of a coalition again (which looks likely, if he's PM at all).

[eFestivals]

Dismissing the concerns of the population (seemingly) at large with regards to the EU as idiotic is just playing into the hands of those who want to leave.

what are these concerns tho? Mostly they're fake, not real, the product of tory & Murdoch bullshit.

Human Rights? Who doesn't want basic human rights? You get idiots saying "criminals shouldn't get human rights", but they're simply too stupid to be taken notice of. You cannot remove human rights from criminals without also removing human rights from the rest of us. They are human rights, not smug-do-gooder's rights.

Employment rights? Who wants less employment rights? Only the bosses, the mates of the tories.

Meanwhile the bankers who caused all the problems which will result in some EU changes remain free to do all of the same things again, because there has been not a jot of legislation to reign them in (tho the tories did cancel some legislation which would have been a start).

There's a lack of true democracy in the EU - which is a real concern and not an idiots one - but Dave Moron doesn't plan to do anything about that at all. If the European people got that democracy then all of the other EU issues would start to melt away.

[eFestivals]

Doesn't look likely at all. Chances of another coalition are minuscule IMHO.

chances of an outright tory victory are even less!

[TheGayTent]

chances of an outright tory victory are even less!

[eFestivals]

They ought to be. But until the opposition find a credible opponent and some back up, I'd put money on the next government to be a conservative one.

No chance of a Miliband/Balls ticket working (not with the wrong Miliband anyway).

Lib Dems are fucked and today's offerings will ensure the conservatives win back some of the defectors to UKIP.

I agree that Labour don't look good, but the tories are fucking up enough things which effect enough people for them to not do better than they did last time.

Don't forget that this is the party that couldn't get a majority when they were up against the very discredited Brown. I can't see them doing better against the Ed Miliband.

And while the Libs are in theory completely fucked, don't forget that the MPs they got last time were voted for to keep the tories out - and there's not going to be any less of an anti-tory sentiment next time around from those same voters.

And finally, the tories are going to lose a chunk of their traditional voters to UKIP and the BNP (which gets to show the mindset of so very many tories ) thru a combination of xenophobia, racism and homophobia, and Dave Moron's speech today isn't going to have much effect on those.

So i'd say it's likely that they'll be fewer tory MPs than there are now... but it's a few years down the line and things might change. Such as by Dave Moron cooking up a war, as that's a favourite tory scam.

[hot_ice]

So i'd say it's likely that they'll be fewer tory MPs than there are now... but it's a few years down the line and things might change. Such as by Dave Moron cooking up a war, as that's a favourite tory scam.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

this! with Romania and Bulgaria joining next year another influx of cheap labour will keep big business onside. If he plays the possible rise in house prices due to rental demand he might get the little Englanders onside too. I would of said labour were a shoe in at the next election though todays job figures say we have created the most jobs since 1989 so I guess he might get a boost from that

[TheGayTent]

This country doesn't trust labour to run the country during times of economic strife. Never have never will.

Conservatives will gain the UKIP vote not lose it. BNP votes are totally insignificant.

Lib Dems will have less MPs than last time, that's guaranteed.

Conservatives will win by default, despite their flaws.

[hot_ice]

This country doesn't trust labour to run the country during times of economic strife. Never have never will.

Conservatives will gain the UKIP vote not lose it. BNP votes are totally insignificant.

Lib Dems will have less MPs than last time, that's guaranteed.

Conservatives will win by default, despite their flaws.

[eFestivals]

I agree that their be fewer tory mps, but i dont share your optimistic views for lib dems, I think they are in a lot of trouble (seeing when their popularity was up at the last election then still lost seats)

LibDem votes tend to hold up very well in places where they've got a sitting MP, just as they tend to do for the other parties with a sitting MP.

Given that Labour don't have much of a hope of winning in most of the LibDem seats and that a lot of the LibDem votes were to keep the tories out, that's likely to see that repeated to a large degree no matter how badly the LibDems are doing in the national polls. So while I expect their seats to drop in number, I can't see them shrinking away to anything like the level of support of those polls.

The Libdems have been the tories lackies of course, but they've still successfully stopped many of the tory policies we'd otherwise have. I don't think that'll count for nothing.

I dont even think creating a war will save the tories, (Left wing media will hammer the tories about army cuts) and i think the population after iraq and afghan are risk adverse to wars

While I agree with the general sentiment and many people won't be fooled, there's more than enough unthinking nationalist idiots which a war would snare. If you think back to 1991 and thatcher getting the boot, there was a big think about how unpatriotic it was to change leader during a war, because stupidity knows no bounds with some.

[eFestivals]

This country doesn't trust labour to run the country during times of economic strife. Never have never will.

I loosely agree with you - but some people are smart enough to know that it was tory ideas that fucked the economy and not Labour ideas.

They'll be enough people being hit with tax credit cuts and the like for not all of them to blindly go along with the raving right wing press.

Conservatives will gain the UKIP vote not lose it.

Nope, i can't see that at all. Dave Moron's speech today still leaves them directly opposed.

BNP votes are totally insignificant.

says the man who likes to believe that the tory party has no or few racist members, when the reality is that it's stuffed full of them.

Lib Dems will have less MPs than last time, that's guaranteed.

I agree, but their number of seats won't collapse to anything like the extent that national polling suggests.

They'll also succeed in gaining some seats they didn't win in 2010 - I suspect Guildford will be one, for example.

Conservatives will win by default, despite their flaws.

I suspect that they might well still be the largest party, but I can't see them getting a majority as things stand right now.

[Steve P]

To me the biggest concern is that I doubt most people in Britain have no real idea of what effect being part of the EU has on them. Can see this going down the same route as the AV referendum where the vast majority of the populus don't understand what they're voting for.

[eFestivals]

Can see this going down the same route as the AV referendum where the vast majority of the populus don't understand what they're voting for.

It's a very strong possibility, especially when Dave Moron is not saying that all of Britain's issues with the EU are because the EU gives protection to 'little people' against the c**ts, and yet that's all he intends to tackle the EU about.

He's trying a con-trick, and the electorate are stupid enough to fall for it.