Stay at home parents

[Barry Fish]

I can't help laugh at the madness operating at the moment regarding the new child care arrangement.

Basically all parents will get the usual 16 hour free nursery care and then outside of that, if both parents work, you will get further help with childcare costs due to both of you being unavailable.

So can anyone explain to me why a stay at home parent would need additional childcare arrangement outside of the 16 hours because its gone over my head. If one of the parents is not working and available to care for a child why is it wrong to have the expectation that they do so ?

Its gone right over my head unsurprisingly

Most people have been saying working parents need help with childcare, it comes, and it blows up Crazy

Edited March 20, 2013 by Barry Fish

[pink_triangle]

They discussing it on radio now. A few people are saying helping only those who work in terms of tax breaks disadvantages stay at home parents. I don't see how this is relevant as the measure is about reducing the cost of childcare and those who stay at home don't have such high childcare costs. I am happy for those parents who make the choice to stay at home, but don't think they should get the same financial support when they don't have the same costs.

[eFestivals]

I love the way that the tories are saying that those earning £300k a year are struggling too , so need this childcare support no less than someone on minimum wage.

Much like Barry Fish, really.

Meanwhile, back in the real world.....

Those on minimum wage are getting a cut in their childcare support.

Edited March 20, 2013 by eFestivals

[feral chile]

I totally agree it goes too far... Family with £300k does not need help...

How are people on minimum wage seeing a cut ?

The only family this applies to is where one of the parents is staying at home and is available to care for the child ? Or is that not correct ?

[eFestivals]

I totally agree it goes too far... Family with £300k does not need help...

Much like those families earning £50k - because those earning £50k certainly have an awful lot more options around their spending than families earning £30k or less.

You believe you need help, you've made that clear both here and previously. And yet you're against adequate help for those who *REALLY* struggling - which certainly isn't you with your three holidays a year, new house extensions, and everything else.

How are people on minimum wage seeing a cut ?

I'm not exactly sure, but all the NGO's working in the childcare area are saying that the govt is wrong when they say that no one gets a cut.

[eFestivals]

Barry Fish, on 20 Mar 2013 - 10:18, said:

I would set the limit around £80k based on total family income myself. Outside of that I am not being drawn into the usual boring debate with you.

well of course you would - you'd set the level to include yourself.

You say child care is too expensive and that you need help - but that's because you believe nothing is allowed to cut into your three holidays a year, which you regard as your inalienable right.

Meanwhile, those who are *REALLY* struggling don't have a feckin' clue what a holiday is!

Edited March 20, 2013 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Oh right... well come back when you have something of value to add...

when the govt is saying 'no cuts for anyone' but every NGO is saying it's bollocks, care to tell me which of these is correct?

I don't have any personal interest in the fine detail, because it's not something that includes me. I do, however, have an interest in govt lies and financial breaks for the already-rich-enough - which I've heard more than enough to know is what is happening, without knowing the fine details.

[eFestivals]

That is not entirely true...

My wife does not work full time but if and when she does, we would earn more than £80k as a family income.

and in the meantime you've set the level just above your joint income.

How stupid do you think people are?

So again you have nothing to add ?

Nope, nothing to add beyond my statement of truth that some on the lowest incomes will be getting a cut in childcare support via these changes.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

http://www.cityam.com/blog/coalition-childcare-plans-slammed

Basically, those who currently earn minimum wage part time are going to be hit. It's not taking into account underemployment which is massive, and socio economic trends in the lowest brackets.

It also only applies to institutions and registered individuals, so those who leave kids with family are going to be hit as well, and for many lower bracket workers, this is going to hurt them.

[eFestivals]

A statement you haven't backed up ?

at statement backed up by those who *REALLY* know, the NGO's involved in childcare.

I can't make any better statement than them, and nor can you.

[eFestivals]

Those family members can register as child minders and then the new scheme would apply.

oh, that's a breeze. PMSL.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Again... You say "hit"... but nothing has changed for them ?

Those family members can register as child minders and then the new scheme would apply.

Edited March 20, 2013 by thesecretingredientiscrime

[eFestivals]

It not a breeze but its also not out of the question either...

it will be 100% out of the question for some, for the very simple reasons of the various standards that have to be reached to be registered as a childminder.

The highest standards are imposed on childminders for the simple reason that parents who do not know them need to have trust in the care they provide (which is much less of an issue if it's a family member).

[eFestivals]

Fact is though if you are leaving your kid with granny everyday then there is not a great deal standing in the way of granny becoming a registered childminder if she is up for it and competent....

just for a change you've proven that you don't have the first fucking clue of what you're talking about by making a blanket statement like that.

Not every grannie is middle-class or higher, nor fit and able.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

If you have something taken away then you are being "hit" in my opinion. The fact someone else is getting help doesn't mean you are being hit, no. Specially considering in most these cases I can see they are getting help with something you don't need help with.

Why do part time working parents need "extended" help with child care while having more time available than other parents ?

My mother is a registered child minder and has been for years so yes I do have an idea on the costs and what is involved. The cost for most people won't be an issue if they have a child lined up ready to mind if they where charging a proper rate.

And I am still not seeing this "cut" as suggested by Neil....

[eFestivals]

And what the fuck as class got to do with it....

as I said, you don't know what you're talking about.

The environment has to reach certain standards, standards that it's far more likely someone well-off will be at by default than is the case for those of poorer backgrounds.

[feral chile]

And another addition of state the fucking obvious is brought to you by Neil....

Fact is though if you are leaving your kid with granny everyday then there is not a great deal standing in the way of granny becoming a registered childminder if she is up for it and competent....

[eFestivals]

I think granny has to be looking after other children as well as the family to qualify as a registered childminder, and there are lots of checks to pass before they accept your registration.

yup, spot on.

I also wonder how Barry's mum - and so other grannies - took the idea of having to go out and buy a black dollie for their grandchild to play with (as just one example).

[eFestivals]

That is possibly true..... Not sure on the current rules!

I've just read thru a brief official summary - and they're far from easy.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

How is this putting MORE barriers in place ? This is more help and not less.

The part time worker has lost nothing....

[eFestivals]

So now you are saying as well as being in capable they are also racists ?

You really are a c**t aren't you ?

The c**ts are the large number of people who look into childminding and back-out due to that part.

If you think it's something that's easily accepted by all then you need to get out of your bubble a bit more than you do.

[eFestivals]

And it possibly shouldn't.... They have free time and less costs than the other ones who are working full time...

they also have less money with which to cover the costs.

Meanwhile, those people with an income of £300k are getting govt help because the tories say (and this is a direct quote) "they're struggling too".

[eFestivals]

Granted.... But less cost is less cost...

no it's not.

Any cost, no matter how small, is only affordable if you have the money to cover it.

Any family on £300k can adjust how they spend their money to fully cover their childcare costs themselves.

That's certainly not the case for many of those on the lowest incomes - they've already had to cut everything to subsistence level because they only have subsistence income.

Edited March 20, 2013 by eFestivals

[gary1979666]

But surely this is encouraging the part time workers to work longer, so they can qualify for the extra help, rather than discouraging them (plus they get the extra money from the work).

Granted it's assuming there's a full time job to go to.

[eFestivals]

If you work part time you have less demand for childcare coverage...

Not if you're aspiring to Dave's unachievable dream you don't.

The tories say that anyone not working enough to support themselves is a shirker, taking the piss out of the country ... and then he sets the childcare rules to make it impossible for someone to live up to that in reality - while giving money away to those who are already coasting (as demonstrated by ... well ... 3 foreign holidays a year ).