kaosmark2 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Maybe you just aren't as open minded as others? Eminem - loved by rap community. Chase and Status - loved by dance community. System - loved by metal community etc etc. I'm open to music and I can honestly say I'm excited for the top 3 mainstage bands everyday (oh bar eminem haha). But like I said, if it doesnt cater to you then boo hoo, but it will me and others. It'll be sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kev1664 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) No, Eminem are NOT loved by the rap community. Public Enemy, Jurassic 5, De La Soul, Wu Tang Clan, Cypress Hill those are the sort of hip hop acts that Reading has booked in the past, that I like and are appreciated by fans of the genre. Eminem is a popstar. Chase and Status aren't loved by the dance community, Justice, Digitalism, The Knife, Underworld, Vitalic, they're loved by the dance community, the sort of acts I'd want to see at Reading. C&S fulfil a similar role to Prodigy or Pendulum, appealing predominantly as a crossover act. Noone has a problem with the fact that you like the lineup, that's great for you, but to suggest that anyone who doesn't is narrow-minded, anal, and doesn't appreciate much stuff is going beyond defending the lineup into being a grade A twat. Edited April 25, 2013 by kev1664 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinaski_ Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 No but the point remains that most people complaining are for lack of indie, and those with a more diverse music taste seem to be ok with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichieSpenno Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Biffy NIN Fall Out Boy Editors Green Day (maybe Skrillex if GD are absolute bullshit) SOAD Deftones Alt-J Chase and Status/Tame Impala/Foals White Lies Twin Atlantic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 For some reason that list above has reminded me of Aphex Twin, now that would be a great booking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Com Truise Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Well I love the lineup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I'd dispute both of those points. You must have noticed you're one of the only people to openly defend and celebrate the lineup, even on here? I've been on here since pre the '09 fest, and this years has got the worst reaction out of any. I think its great that you do btw. Its also not selling out, which is perhaps part of a wider problem but I don't FR help. There's no doubt interest in the fest is dropping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) No, Eminem are NOT loved by the rap community. Public Enemy, Jurassic 5, De La Soul, Wu Tang Clan, Cypress Hill those are the sort of hip hop acts that Reading has booked in the past, that I like and are appreciated by fans of the genre. Eminem is a popstar. Chase and Status aren't loved by the dance community, Justice, Digitalism, The Knife, Underworld, Vitalic, they're loved by the dance community, the sort of acts I'd want to see at Reading. C&S fulfil a similar role to Prodigy or Pendulum, appealing predominantly as a crossover act. Noone has a problem with the fact that you like the lineup, that's great for you, but to suggest that anyone who doesn't is narrow-minded, anal, and doesn't appreciate much stuff is going beyond defending the lineup into being a grade A twat. Edited April 25, 2013 by Asdaprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I wouldn't call it "diverse" by any means. It just looks like someone watched an hour of MTV Rocks and then decided that's who would play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the wonderwhy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Even if it is diverse, there's no strength to it, which makes the whole 'diversity' completely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Even if it is diverse, there's no strength to it, which makes the whole 'diversity' completely pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Ok, rap and pop for eminem then. But to say he isn't respected by rap fans at all is ridiculous. Maybe he made it not cool for bringing it to the charts but if you think iMage and lack of lyrical references to guns and pussy make it shit even though the beats etc are the same if not better, then they are fools. Chase and status again, are loved by many dance fans and generic radio 1 listeners. That's the target audience, is it not? The "cool" factor remains, but they are liked and get massive audiences at festivals so it is a good booking, logically, for them. I'm not saying people are narrow minded, and I couldn't care less if you hate the lineup, but to moan about it excessively is dull and annoying for us who do like it. To go to a reading forum and chat about the lineup and just say its shit makes you no better then the facebook idiots. Moan there, let us get excited about it here. The lineup has abit of everything and that is the main problem you guys seem to have, but really, what would be a better lineup for you? If you have such a niche taste, go to one of the fests that caters for that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinaski_ Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 There's dance, rap, rock, metal, grime, indie, and acoustic folk in the bunch already. What more do you want? Lullabies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) I didn't say not respected, I called you out on saying he's loved. And you've just shown your phenomenal ignorance and prejudice by saying "lack of lyrical references to guns and pussy". --well, he is loved by many I'm sure. What reference do you have he doesn't? He's the most successful rap artist ever. I'm putting 2 and 2 together. And I'm taking the piss out of the ignorant, but many do hold that belief, saying he's not a true rap artist because he isn't black etc etc. C&S aren't loved by dance fans, they've loved by generic radio 1 listeners. They'll get a large audience, and it's a logical booking. ---Good. I'll agree on that much except I know alot of dance fans who like them and, have seen them at dance festivals, so again. Yes they are liked by people who like dance. Not all, but a vast load. However, on your last paragraph, to quote what you're denying: Such comments are as close to calling critics narrow-minded as possible without using that exact phrase. ---everyone has their own opinion. But the, they are all shit argument is narrow minded. Also, if you paid any attention whatsoever, you'd note that that's not what I've done, I've been talking about the bands I want to see, am looking forward to seeing, who I'd like to see booked. But to suggest that it's ridiculous for those of us who think it's a poor quality lineup to comment about it is pretty stupid. ---I'm glad you do. I wasn't talking about just you, but still, all this negativity is boring. Nothing's gonna change it, so people need to stop crying about it "What would be a better lineup?", well, a few posts earlier in this thread I referenced about 10 bands I wanted to see lower down the lineup. I am going to other festivals as well (Bestival and Latitude), but I've been to Reading 4 of the past 7 years and want to see a couple of the bands on this years. Just because I don't like the stuff that caters to, in your words, generic radio 1 listeners, doesn't mean I'm not entitled to go for the bands I like and linger in a forum where I've been for 6 years. ---I'm not attacking people, I want as many people to enjoy this fest as possible. I hope the bands you want to play do, and it's fine you don't like the whole lineup but again, saying its shit and winging about eminen and chase and status or whatever you are is very old news. If you're still interested in going, that's great, and I hope those bands show up. Everyone's entitled here, I'm jus saying the constant this shit comments are dull. I want better quality amongst the acts there already are. I want bands who are a bit more than generic radio flavour of the month. I want other acts that compliment NIN. I want a decent NME stage. Having one or two acts of each genre, that predominantly appeal to generic radio 1 listeners, isn't an engaging diverse lineup. It looks bland. ---you still may get bands that cater to that, but moaning about things like....bands that compliment NIN.....we are lucky a festival as commercial as reading has even booked them in the 1st place, so be great full for that and stop moaning about other bands like them, when in all honesty, it's an honour to have them alone. I guess my main problem with people is you're all glass half full, look at the positives, it's an opportunity to see them in the 1st place!? Agreed. Although last year I was moaning a fair whack about the lineup until the second announcement and the lower bits of the NME stage. It was still better than this year though. Edited April 25, 2013 by Asdaprice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcademicPistol Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) Atoms For Peace, Daft Punk, The Knife or someone else with a bit of originality should take one of the spots from the cheap and nasty dance acts they've booked. I do quite like the line-up and I wanna go now! Edited April 25, 2013 by AcademicPistol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 All I see really is the same names who are always booked, plus a few flavour of the month acts. Eminem is hip-hop, so where are the few hip-hop names on that day, ie Wu Tang Jurassic 5, Public Enemy? Where's the punk on Green Day's day (ie bands too big for the lockup Rancid, NOFX)? It is just a clusterfuck of generic Radio 1/MTV names rather than anything diverse. I would also like to see a couple of bands on the NME who have had more than one album. The dance stage has three dubstep headliners for crying out loud, why not book something like The Knife or Soulwax? It's very lazy and not a true representation of dance music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinaski_ Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 You have to be abit more open to just a day full of the headliners genre. But it does it to an extent, eminem and chase and status have crossover appeal, and are on the more radio 1 friendly day. Green day consists of the more driven guitar bands. Biffys day is abit more mixed mind. Nme, yep, it's shit granted! Dance stage..,.,well dubstep is still "in" ATM....but yeah, I see your point. I guess that's why there are bigger dance acts on other stages though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I didn't say I wanted a whole day of one genre, apologies if it came across that way, just a couple of names. Most people on this thread have said Green Day's crowd will be older, so why not book an older punk band to go with it? Their undercard is aimed at a younger audience (though SOAD and maybe Deftones have an older fanbase). Again with Eminem, we haven't had a hip hop headliner in years, so why not have a couple of names to complement it? Even if it was just D12 lower down, though ideally it would be one of the aforementioned acts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Replied to each paragraph above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Only responding directly to the last: "---you still may get bands that cater to that, but moaning about things like....bands that compliment NIN.....we are lucky a festival as commercial as reading has even booked them in the 1st place, so be great full for that and stop moaning about other bands like them, when in all honesty, it's an honour to have them alone. I guess my main problem with people is you're all glass half full, look at the positives, it's an opportunity to see them in the 1st place!?" Reading booked NIN in '07 as well. It's been a commercial festival for years, but HOW commercial has been increasing steadily, with this year being the most extreme example of that. Most of the complaints on here are a product of how commercial/radio1/mainstream the lineup is, be it specific acts or the lineup as a whole. Very few acts individually look unsuited to the fest, but in terms of what a lot of us remember it being, how many "alternative" type bands there used to be, it's really really poor. It's not just nostalgia goggles either, there's a definite shift in direction, and it's one I (and seemingly several others), really dislike. If Reading didn't have NIN on an exclusive, I'd be able to see them somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 I disagree it's become more commercial - not that I care. Indie was the scene of the years from 06 to recently, and reading abused that, the lineups were full of it. Which was unattractive to me, but I didn't complain. Also, I think the main stage this year is one of the least commercial it's had in a while. Nme on the other hand is, but, they need money from somewhere right? But yeah, I'd say looking at main alone, all of Friday is alternative, most of Saturday is bar chase and status and eminem, and most of Sunday is bar maybe fall out boy and the lumineers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asdaprice Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 The lineups had a lot of it, they weren't full of it. And Green Day are in no way alternative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 Please please please lets not have this 'what is pop' argument again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gucci Piggy Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 This is sounding an awful lot like the T forum... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted April 25, 2013 Report Share Posted April 25, 2013 (edited) It's 15 minutes until Zane starts his build-up, cant we just be united in agreement that it's going to be a load of shit? Edited April 25, 2013 by mrtourette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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