ThomThomDrum Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Forgot he had form! http://youtu.be/5vnvJeq3a0E Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Liverpool needed to defend better and play Chelsea at their own game. A draw would have got them the title. tbf though, i think Liverpool are more likely not to slip up then City. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 As a wrexham fan I take the view that a win is a win. When I watch football as a neutral.I.want attacking football. I admire what chelsea do, but also appreciate that if everyone played that way football would be very dull. I.think with chelsea what frustrates me the most is that with a budget like that they should produce something a bit more entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Liverpool just were not clever enough, a bit of inexperience and panic notably from gerrards 9 shots. Saw a stat on Suarez that it's 8 hours 56 minutes not scoring against the top 4 this season.It's hard to know if Liverpool were clever enough or not (quite possibly not, but it's not 100% clear).What you mention there is what Liverpool had to do AFTER they'd gone a goal down as a result of an unfortunate slip. It's not anything of whether Liverpool were clever or not to Moaniho's tactics.It's probably games like that you need your world class players to step up. For example augero when they won the league in the last minute, van persie scoring in the last minute at city. That's not dissing Suarez because it's him more than anyone that's got Liverpool into this great position. Now go and look at his assists, and find me another forward player with a better record against the top teams this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Nope, it's not that. He's merely identified what he needsd to average to win the league from an already strong position. Unfortunately for him, he's fucked up this season in other games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 It's easy to say clubs need to play the chelsea way but a lot harder to put into practices, do liverpool have the players/experience to play that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom1984 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) As far as my team are concerned, I prefer a win over everything else. As a neutral I want more obviously, but I don't begrudge any side who chooses to play in such a way. People seem to act like doing a defensive game is easy. It's not. You need to be on high alert for 90 straight minutes plus stoppage time. Concentration is key, as well as keeping shape and other things. Needs to be noted that Chelsea, quite a lot, DIDN'T manage this. It's Liverpool's fault that they couldn't take advantage of it. So many little gaps here and there. Gaps that Liverpool actually managed to find much of the time, and then they just did f**k all with it. Not because of the men behind the ball, but because of their own ineptitude. And when that happens, the time for pointing the finger at negative tactics stops, and the pointing the finger at Liverpool's lack of quality in the final third should begin. We're seeing it more and more now. Teams setting their stall out to defend, and the attacking side has little to no imagination and play in a completely one dimensional manner. The defensive side gets torn apart by many, while nobody seems to ask "well... how shit were the other team?" Edited April 28, 2014 by DomDom1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) Of course he's going for a win. He isn't planning on outscoring the opposition Blackpoolesque by taking a few of many chances. He's planning on not conceding and backing the ability of his players to take advantage of the few chances they do create. Or get gifted by Everton fans He's gone for the draw. That he then might get lucky and get a win is something aside from that.It's not like his "tactics" got him yesterday's win. It was the fluke of a slip that could happen to any player at any time.In winning the league for a team that's capable of doing so, not losing to your closest competitors is the biggest factor. If you can get lucky with a win, you're just about there. Edited April 28, 2014 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom1984 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) It's hard to know what Chelsea would have done in the second 45. They might well have pressed a bit more. Nobody really believes Mourinho when he says that they aren't in it, and thus I'd say Chelsea would have looked for the win at some point or another. We didn't really get to find that out though, thanks to Gerrard's slip. Edited April 28, 2014 by DomDom1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 In winning the league for a team that's capable of doing so, not losing to your closest competitors is the biggest factor. If you can get lucky with a win, you're just about there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 By the way, I think the slip being luck is being overplayed too. Gerrard would never have slipped had he controlled the ball properly, not taken his eye off it, lost concentration, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonTom Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Lady luck rolled some dice yesterday also to effect the eventual outcome Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomThomDrum Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Gaps that Liverpool actually managed to find much of the time, and then they just did f**k all with it. Not because of the men behind the ball, but because of their own ineptitude. And when that happens, the time for pointing the finger at negative tactics stops, and the pointing the finger at Liverpool's lack of quality in the final third should begin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom1984 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm not saying they don't have the quality. I'm saying they didn't on this day. You realise this happens, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Yeah thats been Liverpools problem with this squad. The lack of quality in the final 3rd. Rodgers must address this ASAP in the summer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex_George Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Needs to be noted that Chelsea, quite a lot, DIDN'T manage this. It's Liverpool's fault that they couldn't take advantage of it. So many little gaps here and there. Gaps that Liverpool actually managed to find much of the time, and then they just did f**k all with it. Not because of the men behind the ball, but because of their own ineptitude. And when that happens, the time for pointing the finger at negative tactics stops, and the pointing the finger at Liverpool's lack of quality in the final third should begin." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom1984 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Point made and answered. So pipe down. Cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Piffle.The only factor is getting more points after 38 games than any of your rivals. It's 3 points for a win in any of those games regardless of the opposition.Liverpool or City are very likely to show your opinion is guff in the next few weeks.Liverpool or City are very likely to show my opinion as right. I've already said that Chelsea have blown it with their results against other, much weaker, teams.Why do you think Moaniho was losing his rag quite so much at those recent bad results? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomThomDrum Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'm not saying they don't have the quality. I'm saying they didn't on this day. You realise this happens, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Liverpool or City are very likely to show my opinion as right. I've already said that Chelsea have blown it with their results against other, much weaker, teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DomDom1984 Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) You're right about their being multiple reasons. Which is why I'm focusing Liverpool's failure in the final third. You'd think it was 1) luck and 2) bus parking which were the reasons. I can see why Rodgers won't go at the players, so none of this ire is aimed at him. But people seem to have taken it hook, line and sinker. Chelsea had a good day in defence, but it wasn't even their best defensive performance of the last seven days. The amount of gaps Liverpool were finding in and around the box should be ringing alarm bells for Mourinho ahead of the second leg of the Atletico tie. Edited April 28, 2014 by DomDom1984 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThomThomDrum Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) You're right about their being multiple reasons. Which is why I'm focusing Liverpool's failure in the final third. You'd think it was 1) luck and 2) bus parking which were the reasons. Edited April 28, 2014 by ThomThomDrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 (edited) So you have two opinions that completely contradict each other? Nope.Moaniho got better results than he was hoping for at worst against City and Liverpool. Those better results should have won him the league.But they haven't done because of games he's lost to some of the weaker teams, that he'd presumed as easy wins (or at least, would give enough points overall).If all the top teams pick up the expected points against the lesser teams (which in theory they should, tho the reality says they'll all drop some points here and there), then it's the points you gain against the top teams which puts you above those other top teams.If you do your best to ensure you never lose against those other top teams - which is what Moaniho does as standard - then you're giving yourself the best chance of not being bettered. And if you can nick three points in any of those 'top' games, then you better everyone.Don't forget, Moaniho was doing this back in Aug/Sept, when he went to OT (but no one had realised quite how shit Utd were at that point). Edited April 28, 2014 by eFestivals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 Nope. Moaniho got better results than he was hoping for at worst against City and Liverpool. Those better results should have won him the league. But they haven't done because of games he's lost to some of the weaker teams, that he'd presumed as easy wins (or at least, would give enough points overall). If all the top teams pick up the expected points against the lesser teams (which in theory they should, tho the reality says they'll all drop some points here and there), then it's the points you gain against the top teams which puts you above those other top teams. If you do your best to ensure you never lose against those other top teams - which is what Moaniho does as standard - then you're giving yourself the best chance of not being bettered. And if you can nick three points in any of those 'top' games, then you better everyone. Don't forget, Moaniho was doing this back in Aug/Sept, when he went to OT (but no one had realised quite how shit Utd were at that point). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Essex_George Posted April 28, 2014 Report Share Posted April 28, 2014 You're right about their being multiple reasons. Which is why I'm focusing Liverpool's failure in the final third. You'd think it was 1) luck and 2) bus parking which were the reasons. I can see why Rodgers won't go at the players, so none of this ire is aimed at him. But people seem to have taken it hook, line and sinker. Chelsea had a good day in defence, but it wasn't even their best defensive performance of the last seven days. The amount of gaps Liverpool were finding in and around the box should be ringing alarm bells for Mourinho ahead of the second leg of the Atletico tie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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