TheGayTent Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Surely being an "international" depends on the relative standard of your teammates. He would be an international for wales but not spain. In the last few years the standard of the England squad has decreased so the bar is surely set lowew. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 it shows how there is a lack of international class midfielders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Being "an international" I'd say is different from being "international class". I'd say the latter implies a player can make an impact in tournaments, which wouldn't be true of lots of England's current crop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Decent finishes from the Ameobis, and great balls from Ben Arfa, but worrying that we were 2nd best to a league 2 team for most of the game, even if it was largely a 2nd string. At least we've scored goals and won a game this season now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Top notch from Celtic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 Man Utd or Liverpool out of the League Cup. Boring but winnable tie for WHU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strummer77 Posted August 28, 2013 Report Share Posted August 28, 2013 (edited) As well as goalkeepers, defenders and attackers! I agree Townsend should be better, I also think players should be judged on what they are in the present, not what they may (or not) be in the future. From what I have seen of Sterling, I don't see him as a "sure thing" like a Giggs, Rooney or Bale. As for international class, I suppose it depends how you define the term. I see both as being solid premiership players, not sure I see anything more. Of course playing for certain teams increases your chance of playing for England. Someone like Adam Lalana would have played for England by now if he had put the same performances in for one of the top 4 or 5 sides Im not even sure its necesarrily the best clubs who get you into the national team quicker. I would say Liverpool, arsenal and man utd fans/ex players dominate the media who have a huge influence on a football manager, therefore a younger Liverpool player would probably get a chance before a man city or Chelsea player of similar ability. Edited August 28, 2013 by strummer77 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Etoo may be past his peak but I am looking forward to seeing him in the premiership. Looks like Rooney will be staying put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Nal Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Etoo may be past his peak but I am looking forward to seeing him in the premiership. Looks like Rooney will be staying put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Etoo may be past his peak but I am looking forward to seeing him in the premiership. Looks like Rooney will be staying put. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 If it happens, as it looks like it will, then surely one of Moses, Lukaku, or Ba will be available for transfer/loan?aren't Liverpool trying to get Moses, and Newc Ba?I don't think Lukaku will go out on loan again, after a great season for the baggies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 If it happens, as it looks like it will, then surely one of Moses, Lukaku, or Ba will be available for transfer/loan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 aren't Liverpool trying to get Moses, and Newc Ba? I don't think Lukaku will go out on loan again, after a great season for the baggies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 I really can't see Ba back at Newcastle. He wanted to leave, what makes anyone think he wants to return? He doesn't really fit into the system Newcastle play, assuming Cisse is nailed on to start. Would Newcastle drop Cisse to play a loan signing? Newcastle are worse now than when Ba left. Just don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 How are loan deals wages sorted? Or is it more on a individual basis? Parent club paying all the wages or the club his loaned to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 How are loan deals wages sorted? Or is it more on a individual basis? Parent club paying all the wages or the club his loaned to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 RVT handed in a transfer request apparently. Shame if true. Darn useful squad player who has a fair point when it comes to not featuring as much as others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 How are loan deals wages sorted? Or is it more on a individual basis? Parent club paying all the wages or the club his loaned to? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetime Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Thought as much pink and thegaytent, cheers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 It should be like the old days - loans should only be allowed to clubs in a different league to the parent club (IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 I really can't see Ba back at Newcastle. He wanted to leave, what makes anyone think he wants to return? He doesn't really fit into the system Newcastle play, assuming Cisse is nailed on to start. Would Newcastle drop Cisse to play a loan signing? Newcastle are worse now than when Ba left. Just don't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Completely agree. Supposedly we've been making enquiries though which I'm hoping will fall as flat as most of our other transfer business so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_triangle Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 It should be like the old days - loans should only be allowed to clubs in a different league to the parent club (IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGayTent Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Agreed, would stop the hoarding of players that goes on with a lot of the bigger teams. it would also like to see a ban to the practice where you loan a player out for a season and they cant play against you. If a player is loaned he should be able to play any game when fit and not suspended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaosmark2 Posted August 29, 2013 Report Share Posted August 29, 2013 Is Gomis still a possibility? Would you prefer Gomis to Ba? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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