Nick Cave

[emmanuel]

My main complaint are the slow theatrical versions of Red Right Hand, Tupelo, etc. Those were good on tours in the 1990s but now it gets very repetitive. I'd prefer a 10 min Red Righ Hand to be replaced by two other songs.

[JayDiesel]

1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Bright Horses is about the only decent track on Ghosteen

Galleon Ship is literally right there

[henry bear]

I enjoyed the show in Cardiff, the WG tracks by and large worked well on stage. It did further emphasise to me that they are not Pyramid headliners. Much better a large-ish crowd of Cave heads at the Other than a bewildered and/or bored and dwindling audience at the Pyramid.

[Mish1268]

15 minutes ago, henry bear said:

I enjoyed the show in Cardiff, the WG tracks by and large worked well on stage. It did further emphasise to me that they are not Pyramid headliners. Much better a large-ish crowd of Cave heads at the Other than a bewildered and/or bored and dwindling audience at the Pyramid.

Couldn't agree more. An excited Other croud after dark would be perfect for all I think. I think up against a Pyramid pop act, they would be a big cross generational draw.

[NorthernSoul52]

Galleon Ship is wonderfully beautiful. Night Raid is sensually mysterious. Bright Horses is about trains that never seem to turn up.

[NorthernSoul52]

A first proper Grammy nomination for the Bad Seeds too. (Previously had only been cited for Best Music Film, I believe.)

[homesick]

Don't suppose anyone has a spare standing ticket for tonight by any chance? Cheers

[Mish1268]

2 hours ago, homesick said:

Don't suppose anyone has a spare standing ticket for tonight by any chance? Cheers

There are still some for sale and resale which are cheaper i believe

[homesick]

10 minutes ago, Mish1268 said:

There are still some for sale and resale which are cheaper i believe

Could you link please? I can't see any on Twickets - thank you 

[Mish1268]

4 minutes ago, homesick said:

Could you link please? I can't see any on Twickets - thank you 

https://www.theo2.co.uk/events/detail/nick-cave-the-bad-seeds-1

[homesick]

12 minutes ago, Mish1268 said:

https://www.theo2.co.uk/events/detail/nick-cave-the-bad-seeds-1

Ah much appreciated, thanks a lot!

[Mish1268]

54 minutes ago, homesick said:

Ah much appreciated, thanks a lot!

To let you know, for me it was one of the best concerts I have been to in my life and that is even though it was at the 02!  Just annoyed I wasn't standing. 

[Superscally]

On 11/8/2024 at 12:48 PM, JayDiesel said:

Galleon Ship is literally right there

Waiting For You too...

[russycarps]

The track Ghosteen is in my top 5 Cave songs for sure. Some bizarre opinions in this thread.

 

The gig at the O2 was great. Absolutely loved the Wild God stuff but I'm a bit miffed that he seems to have settled on what his greatest hits are, and I largely disagree with his choices.

 

The days of getting slightly unusual songs like Watching Alice or something like that seem to be long gone. As are getting different setlists on different days of a tour. 

 

 

Edited November 10 by russycarps

[NorthernSoul52]

I always find setlists a fascinating construct. For an act I like, but don't necessarily devote long-form pleasures to, a static set does the job for me.

 

But for an artist I adore, I would appreciate significantly more variety. Iron Maiden going particularly off-piste with their most recent run was a nice pleasure, even if - again - the set was static for the full tour itself.

[Johndenis]

I think a greatest hits set could and surely would look different to this one.  Stagger Lee, Do You Love Me, There She Goes My Beautiful World, Higgs Boson Blues, Where The Wild Roses Grow.  I don't know if he ever plays fifteen feet of pure white snow (have seen him around 10 times since 2013 and haven't heard it) but I really like it.  As noted above, the set could benefit from a wee jolt of something in the second half.  (I also really like songs like Jesus Alone and Frogs but accept they might not be "greatest hits".)

 

Regardless, every album since PTSA (which put him in a Pyramid headline "conversation") pushes further away the prospect of a Pyramid headline slot, imo.  Putting him on Other vs something pop seems obvious/sensible.

 

ps I don't think the lyrics appearing on the screen works.  I saw Manics and Suede in Leeds millennium square in July and got unintentional giggles at the Manics' sloganeering appearing on the slightly too small screen on the slightly too quiet stage/PA, in broad daylight.  Felt briefly like I was in a Louis Theroux subculture documentary. 

[russycarps]

36 minutes ago, Johndenis said:

I think a greatest hits set could and surely would look different to this one.  Stagger Lee, Do You Love Me, There She Goes My Beautiful World, Higgs Boson Blues, Where The Wild Roses Grow.  I don't know if he ever plays fifteen feet of pure white snow (have seen him around 10 times since 2013 and haven't heard it) but I really like it.  As noted above, the set could benefit from a wee jolt of something in the second half.  (I also really like songs like Jesus Alone and Frogs but accept they might not be "greatest hits".)

 

Regardless, every album since PTSA (which put him in a Pyramid headline "conversation") pushes further away the prospect of a Pyramid headline slot, imo.  Putting him on Other vs something pop seems obvious/sensible.

 

ps I don't think the lyrics appearing on the screen works.  I saw Manics and Suede in Leeds millennium square in July and got unintentional giggles at the Manics' sloganeering appearing on the slightly too small screen on the slightly too quiet stage/PA, in broad daylight.  Felt briefly like I was in a Louis Theroux subculture documentary. 

 

He's played Tupelo, red right hand, mercy seat, weeping song, into my arms, papa won't leave, from her to eternity, o children & jubilee Street the last few times I've seen him, so i have a feeling they are viewed as the 'hits'.

 

Don't think he's played 15 feet since the album's tour, 20 odd years ago. I'm confident he'll never play it again. Personally I'd like to see Oh My Lord again, but I'm pretty sure he's done with that song too!

 

 

[Johndenis]

19 minutes ago, russycarps said:

 

He's played Tupelo, red right hand, mercy seat, weeping song, into my arms, papa won't leave, from her to eternity, o children & jubilee Street the last few times I've seen him, so i have a feeling they are viewed as the 'hits'.

 

Don't think he's played 15 feet since the album's tour, 20 odd years ago. I'm confident he'll never play it again. Personally I'd like to see Oh My Lord again, but I'm pretty sure he's done with that song too!

 

 

I agree these are his "hits" but if he was playing a major show, or an overt hits tour, I'm pretty sure most of these are in - Stagger Lee, Do You Love Me, There She Goes My Beautiful World, Higgs Boson Blues, Where The Wild Roses Grow.  @emmanuel - I think Red Right Hand is good enough to be stretched out "theatrically", but I agree - Tupelo, and a few others, not so much...

[russycarps]

4 minutes ago, Johndenis said:

I agree these are his "hits" but if he was playing a major show, or an overt hits tour, I'm pretty sure most of these are in - Stagger Lee, Do You Love Me, There She Goes My Beautiful World, Higgs Boson Blues, Where The Wild Roses Grow.  @emmanuel - I think Red Right Hand is good enough to be stretched out "theatrically", but I agree - Tupelo, and a few others, not so much...

 

I would say Deanna is a 'hit' too.

[majormajormajor]

Tupelo is f**king brilliant live. I personally much prefer the Bad Seeds making that apocalyptic racket to stuff like O Children or Into My Arms etc. Each to their own, of course.

 

Would love to see them bringing back Hiding all Away, Jack the Ripper, Stagger Lee & Midnight Man.

[emmanuel]

I am probably biased in wanting to hear a few songs like I Let Love In, (Are You) The One That I've Been Waiting For?, Lime Tree Arbour and Fifteen Feet Of Pure White Snow that I somehow missed on the original tours. My budget was simply smaller in 1998 so I couldn't really travel to shows! I certainly think these are as much "hits" as anything currently played, as quite a few were MTV videos, etc, but I suspect that most people have largely forgotten those.

There were a few rarities at recent non-album focused All Point East shows, but I think we all have to realise that the Bad Seeds have almost no overlap with the band from 20 years ago, so I almost feel it is better that they play the new album in full, as a "real" band, rather than playing cover versions of older songs.

Edited November 11 by emmanuel

[emmanuel]

Like many artists focusing on their own shows, it is not even clear Nick Cave will do a festival tour on this iteration. In fact, the lack of any announcements so far suggest he might tour Australia/Asia and then that's it. I know there is a festival date in Los Angeles, but as headliner and as a one-off during the regular NA tour. He probably likes the money of a festival run, but I'm not sure he needs the exposure or the scheduling trouble with band members also playing in bands such as Radiohead, The Smile and Dirty Three! I mean he is probably at the opposite end of someone like Lana Del Rey who thought she deserves a main stage slot (maybe with good reasons, but that's not the point here).

[matrainertje]

5 minutes ago, emmanuel said:

Like many artists focusing on their own shows, it is not even clear Nick Cave will do a festival tour on this iteration. In fact, the lack of any announcements so far suggest he might tour Australia/Asia and then that's it. I know there is a festival date in Los Angeles, but as headliner and as a one-off during the regular NA tour. He probably likes the money of a festival run, but I'm not sure he needs the exposure or the scheduling trouble with band members also playing in bands such as Radiohead, The Smile and Dirty Three! I mean he is probably at the opposite end of someone like Lana Del Rey who thought she deserves a main stage slot (maybe with good reasons, but that's not the point here).

On the other hand: Nick Cave is one of those artists I'd see doing just the one Glastonbury festival show while not really doing a festival run otherwise. Especially considering next year's a fallow year. 

[russycarps]

39 minutes ago, majormajormajor said:

Tupelo is f**king brilliant live. I personally much prefer the Bad Seeds making that apocalyptic racket to stuff like O Children or Into My Arms etc. Each to their own, of course.

 

Would love to see them bringing back Hiding all Away, Jack the Ripper, Stagger Lee & Midnight Man.

 

Tupelo is great, but he has a lot of similarly apocalyptic songs so it's a shame he seems to have just stuck with Tupelo to cover that side of his discography. 

 

Though i can't really blame him for not caring about his back catalogue and focusing on his new stuff.

[OllieMadd]

I definitely think it's possible that he never plays again after subbing Mumford and Sons. Enough to hurt anyone's ego, that.