Security taking money to let people in

[badger80]

"if you've done nothing wrong, you've nothing to hide"

it's the intrusiveness though, the chipping away at the feeling of freedom that you, certainly i, would notice if i felt i had some hi-viz vest dude wanting to check me at any given moment.

i was staying offsite, had to be checked in and out every time - i can get that. to have that on the inside wouldn't be good.

[Thearg]

This is hard one morally,although I want tighter security to stop this happening for the future of the festival,if I couldn't get a ticket and I got offered a sneaky way in, I would be very tempted.

[Thearg]

In fact fuck it,its not a hard one at all, I'd jump at the chance but I would much rather get a ticket the legit way

Why does it have to be so hard

[leggyemulous]

Having increased wristband checks doesn't make the issue of dodgy security getting people in go away. It just means that these punters may get quicked out much faster for their money. It's the security that needs clamping down on, you can't make the demand go away.

[fatyeti24]

Unless you have a better suggestion, its the only way to sort this problem.

[funksoulfever]

They shud get some randomers to offer security staff cash for entry. See if they turn it down. If they accept dnt employ them. Im surebthe firms cud be sued for breach of contract too. Means comoanys less likely to take on ones that would.

[AiiShotTheDJ]

I don't know if it would work but maybe small cameras on security personnel 'for their protection' as it avoids the whole 'big brother' thing whilst helping to rat out security- most of us wouldn't even know it was on them.

[fatyeti24]

I don't know if it would work but maybe small cameras on security personnel 'for their protection' as it avoids the whole 'big brother' thing whilst helping to rat out security- most of us wouldn't even know it was on them.

[Dan R]

Perhaps if they have your ticket checked twice on entrance, and have a different security firm doing each one. That way you wouldnt be able to bribe the individual and would be bloody hard to organise two firm to cooperate accepting bribes without drawing attention? And once on site theres no more need to check wristbands

[AiiShotTheDJ]

again i'd say that is looking at things from the wrong end. giving the security cameras under a false pretense does not, in any way, avoid the whole big brother thing. it is exactly the big brother thing!

the festival ethos is one of trust - enforcement only as a last resort. it's one of the major things that separates it from the rest. treat people like adults and for the most part they respond in kind.

and tbh, there's no lack of surveillance on site already.

[pjadnoo]

Perhaps the way is to make the main entrances more secure, with two independent checks of ticket/wristbands, rather than just one. This way, whilst a corrupt security guard (or anyone else for that matter) might let you through, the next check might be from one of the Oxfam volunteers who would have nothing to gain from letting people through. That alongside proper entry checks for the 'official' vans (except I suppose medical), rather than just waving them through, maybe?

Certainly I'd personally rather more stringent checks at the entrance than checks on-site or a strong visible security presence; the fact that once you're within the grounds the whole of glastonbury feels free and like home is (for me) one of the key things that makes it nicer than most of the other fests I've been to.

[fatyeti24]

Perhaps if they have your ticket checked twice on entrance, and have a different security firm doing each one. That way you wouldnt be able to bribe the individual and would be bloody hard to organise two firm to cooperate accepting bribes without drawing attention? And once on site theres no more need to check wristbands

[fatyeti24]

I mean to monitor security and weed out the ones who do this, not the punters. It would mean we wouldn't constantly be asked for wristbands etc. once inside and security could be monitored at the entry points to find out who was doing it

[K8P]

Or having a main arena which would kill glastonbury forever. There were no extra tickets for sale this year, so why the huge crowd. Watching at home I thought the amount of people was bigger than normal and its going to get out of hand again.

Somebody somewhere is stitching up GFL and getting away with it.

[fatyeti24]

Perhaps the way is to make the main entrances more secure, with two independent checks of ticket/wristbands, rather than just one. This way, whilst a corrupt security guard (or anyone else for that matter) might let you through, the next check might be from one of the Oxfam volunteers who would have nothing to gain from letting people through. That alongside proper entry checks for the 'official' vans (except I suppose medical), rather than just waving them through, maybe?

Certainly I'd personally rather more stringent checks at the entrance than checks on-site or a strong visible security presence; the fact that once you're within the grounds the whole of glastonbury feels free and like home is (for me) one of the key things that makes it nicer than most of the other fests I've been to.

[pjadnoo]

this already happens. at gate B, which i went in and out of 6 times this fest, there was always 2, sometimes 3 checks of wristband/ticket/pass out.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

In fact fuck it,its not a hard one at all, I'd jump at the chance but I would much rather get a ticket the legit way.

[redmosquito]

I've often wondered how you'd get on if you stripped off, greased yourself up and just ran at the gates as fast as you could.

I kept thinking about it this year whilst queuing to get through gate c. If you can strip off as late as possible to the wrist band checks I'd think you'll have a good chance. Most of the security we're hanging about grabbing people for searches rather than looking for greased up naked people running like hell at the wide isle.

[Thearg]

On the two previous occassions that I didn't get tickets on t day I didn't go to the festival. If all my friends got a ticket next year and I didn't then it would be tempting. Not sure I'd have the bottle though at the end of the day. On top of that I really wouldn't be comfortable with the idea of jeopardising the festivals future. The festival is one of the country's institutions and we owe it to the people who come after us to make sure it stays.

I wonder if this problem has got any worse than previous years? Has GFL known all about it as a problem and turns a blind eye as they have so many other logistical issues to deal with.

[gizmoman]

If there were really 'thousands' of extra people on site due to scams i'm sure the licensing people will be aware of it and be insisting on tighter controls next year, extra people mean potentially dangerous overcrowding situations. Security work has always attracted dodgy types, that's not going to change unfortunately, even with SIA requirements there are still plenty of tales on here of them scamming people for drugs etc. (some of them may not be genuine security of course).

[fatyeti24]

Ah, fair enough. Can't remember entrance from 2011, and didn't go this year So then presumably the problem here is security escorting/driving people in to get past this sort of thing?

[lukemack]

I bet some guards made a years wage that weekend

[psydersuze]

Enough already!! If you didn't have a ticket and someone offered you a way into the festival ... you'd jump at the chance!!

[WS_Jack_III]

As i stated in another thread, i've known this to happen a few times in the last few years.

[frostypaw]

The rumors implied they came in inside vehicles, often wearing tabards saying security.

The thorough checking of vehicles and security photo ID has to be the answer there, too much confidence was being placed in the firms who were probably waving in their own buses. Clever separation of duties is needed