Advice needed - Green Stewards

[Katster]

What 'drove' my comments is my experience of the police.

[feral chile]

I still haven't forgiven the police for their patronising, suspicious and unhelpful way they dealt with a group of frightened 16 year old girls out of their depth in the big city (Cardiff )

We caught the wrong last train home, and ended up in a strange place, at about 11 o'clock at night. Despite getting shown the way to the local police station by a nice man who vouched for us, as he'd witnessed our horrified realisation, the police treated us like criminals, refusing to believe we'd made a genuine mistake. They kept us hanging around until 4 in the morning before they even bothered to ring our terrified parents, who then ordered a taxi for us.

we were always getting stopped by the police, and we were by no means rough-looking, just ordinary young girls, and I had to catch the last train home and always had to run to catch it.

There's loads more stories I could tell of them throwing their weight around for fun, childish prats.

[feral chile]

Aren't all Cardiff girls rough as a dogs arse*

*only joking

Edited September 26, 2013 by feral chile

[Guest]

I still haven't forgiven the police for their patronising, suspicious and unhelpful way they dealt with a group of frightened 16 year old girls out of their depth in the big city (Cardiff )

We caught the wrong last train home, and ended up in a strange place, at about 11 o'clock at night. Despite getting shown the way to the local police station by a nice man who vouched for us, as he'd witnessed our horrified realisation, the police treated us like criminals, refusing to believe we'd made a genuine mistake. They kept us hanging around until 4 in the morning before they even bothered to ring our terrified parents, who then ordered a taxi for us.

we were always getting stopped by the police, and we were by no means rough-looking, just ordinary young girls, and I had to catch the last train home and always had to run to catch it.

There's loads more stories I could tell of them throwing their weight around for fun, childish prats.

[eFestivals]

I was arrested when I was about 13 years old for waiting, outside of a concert that ran late, for my mum to pick me up. 13! She had to come to pick me up from the police station, I was in a cell.

Strictly speaking, they didn't arrest me, as they didn't charge me with anything. That was my first lesson in how to respect the police. My mum educated me into the fact that to take me away, they should have arrested me, and they can only arrest me if they charge me with something.

respect your elders... yea, right!

erm ... then your mum told you wrong.

You get charged after you get arrested; they can detain you (and take you were they want to) the moment they arrest you.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

I got arrested for telling two coppers to go fuck themselves. Where's the justice, I ask you!

[lost]

I was wondering if people in the real world talk to others like they do on message boards and then are surprised at the results. Not police but I can remember one of my teachers telling a kid who had just insulted him that if he spoke to him like that in the street he would of beat the living shit out of him.

[kaosmark2]

if he spoke to him like that in the street he would of beat the living shit out of him.

[feral chile]

You was just "waiting" outside My arse

[feral chile]

Mind you, they're not all bad. one did give me a lift home once, when he saw me walking alone late at night across the mountain.

And I hold my hands up to being in the wrong once, there was a big gang of us high on shrooms, and they lined us all up and asked us for our names and addresses. Our friend said quietly to me 'ok be cool' and that set me off. I kept rehearsing my name and address and couldn't remember it, and started giggling insanely, and when he got to me, blurted out 'it's OK, we're only drunk!'

Course, they were legal then, so they couldn't have done anything anyway.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

Anybody remember the police's West Midlands Serious Crime Squad. Well, they lived up to their name. They did some very serious crimes.

[feral chile]

Anybody remember the police's West Midlands Serious Crime Squad. Well, they lived up to their name. They did some very serious crimes.

[fred quimby]

beat the living shit out of him.

[feral chile]

What a strange phrase that is.

Edited September 27, 2013 by feral chile

[fred quimby]

It's a distortion of living daylight, which is itself a distortion of daylights, which meant eyes. So originally it just meant belt someone in the eye. Though daylight/lights now means consciousness/life force - so knock someone out. (google is my God).

(or knock the stuffing out of someone, which is self explanatory)

Edited September 27, 2013 by fred quimby

[Guest]

You was just "waiting" outside My arse

Edited September 30, 2013 by tonyblair

[Guest]

erm ... then your mum told you wrong.

You get charged after you get arrested; they can detain you (and take you were they want to) the moment they arrest you.

[Yoghurt on a Stick]

I've just this moment had an email which confirms that the police have backed down over something I was in dispute with them (in a professional capacity) over. They did try to defend themselves from paying out compensation but have now agreed to do so in writing, to the amount that I dictated. They didn't have a leg to stand on but still tried. I think they had put up a lot of resistance thinking I'd eventually give up. That was never going to be the case. I'm probably a marked man now!

[eFestivals]

This was a long time ago, before any sus laws. She worked for the NCCL (National Council for Civil Liberties) at the time, and had started a local group for people who didn't get their due benefits (Brighton Claimants Union I think). The local authorities, including the polioce, had a very beady eye on her.

If you were arrested, there had to be a charge (a reason). Chances are, they'd have had me for loitering or something inconsequential anyway.

being 'charged' is a legal process that happens after being arrested, and is nothing to do with being arrested (apart from the fact that you have to be arrested before being charged). It is not the "reason" for arrest in the way you've said it ... the arrest is the reason that someone later might get charged.

You get arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime (that "suspicion of a crime" is nothing to do "sus laws", that was something entirely different).

If the old bill then believe there's evidence enough to prosecute you (normally at a police station), you are charged with the offence and the file is sent to the CPS.

The arrest and charged bit hasn't changed in any meaningful way over many decades (tho a 3rd party [nowadays the CPS] then being the one to decide to prosecute or not is reasonably new).

As from the sounds of it your mum knew what she was talking about, you should have paid better attention to her.

Edited September 27, 2013 by eFestivals

[Guest]

being 'charged' is a legal process that happens after being arrested, and is nothing to do with being arrested (apart from the fact that you have to be arrested before being charged). It is not the "reason" for arrest in the way you've said it ... the arrest is the reason that someone later might get charged.

You get arrested on suspicion of having committed a crime (that "suspicion of a crime" is nothing to do "sus laws", that was something entirely different).

If the old bill then believe there's evidence enough to prosecute you (normally at a police station), you are charged with the offence and the file is sent to the CPS.

The arrest and charged bit hasn't changed in any meaningful way over many decades (tho a 3rd party [nowadays the CPS] then being the one to decide to prosecute or not is reasonably new).

As from the sounds of it your mum knew what she was talking about, you should have paid better attention to her.

Edited September 27, 2013 by tonyblair

[eFestivals]

whatever.. I was 13 at the time, and it was a scary experience.

I'd guess that was probably the copper's intention. Scare the shit out of you, and hope that was enough to stop you being a repeat 'customer'.

[Guest]

I'd guess that was probably the copper's intention. Scare the shit out of you, and hope that was enough to stop you being a repeat 'customer'.

[feral chile]

Yea... well. I don't know what the effect was supposed to be. It hardly endeared me to them

[feral chile]

oh yes, and while we're having a police bitchfest, we were getting repeatedly broken into and called the police, who looked at the place where the burglar had fallen through the ceiling, and asked us if we were sure someone had got in up there, (through the adjoining attics) and implied we were fraudulently claiming on the insurance.

And the crime prevention officer who was supposed to come round to check the house for vulnerabilities never showed up.

And in my wild days, when I hung out with a biker gang, we descended on a village (the one where my friend got banned from), and we took over a disco. We weren't aggressive or anything, and we didn't actually intend to take it over, we just walked in, but the locals were scared of us. So they all left us to it. And guess what? No police to be seen.

There weren't just a couple of 16 year old girls to have fun harrassing, I suppose.

Edited September 27, 2013 by feral chile

[Katster]

You guys really have had some shit experiences with the police?! They've always been alreet round here in my experience!

I puked up on a train station platform once and had a joke with a nearby copper about it.

Rolled a spliff at titp