Metallica....in the Mosh, will there be a mosh, not in the mosh?

[Swine_Glasto2014]

20 or so comments on a forum will affect your choice at Glastonbury, really????????

Come off it

Hope the forecast isn't bad, you might not go atall ;)

Edited May 30, 2014 by Swine_Glasto2014

[Ruwise]

20 or so comments on a forum will affect your choice at Glastonbury, really????????

Come off it

I generally avoid any gigs where I think the dickhead quotient will be too high. As a short woman who doesn't drink and a husband who is quite claustrophobic why put ourselves in a situation where we could feel uncomfortable when there are over 60 stages providing alternatives that don't seem to have the potential to kick off.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Anywhere with 130000 people has the potential to kick off !

The rolling Stones did, wouldn't class them as a magnet for dickheads.

[Ruwise]

Anywhere with 130000 people has the potential to kick off !

The rolling Stones did, wouldn't class them as a magnet for dickheads.

Of course it does and yes I would have expected a fair proportion of dickheads at the Rolling Stones as well .It's why I would avoid being right at the front for any pyramid stage act as the larger the numbers the more chance of it kicking off. I'd rather be further back and have a bit of space to enjoy the gig and dance away without impinging on others.

[Ruwise]

Hope the forecast isn't bad, you might not go atall ;)

No the weather doesn't bother me. No such thing as bad weather just weather you haven't prepared properly for.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Impinging, another new word!!

Big supermarkets have the potential too, avoid if possible.

If it does kick off, I hope none of us get inadvertently involved. Likewise would nice to think none of us would react in such way that harms others. I won't be...I'll be fairly merry and just happy.to be there to see them live

[Dead throne]

Caught in a Mosh? Maybe Anthrax are the tbc Other stage openers.

hahaha that'd be brilliant

Edited May 31, 2014 by Dead throne

[Dead throne]

[Swine_Glasto2014]

Sweet

[The Placid Casual]

I was in the front circle for the stones, I didn't think it got too mental, it was pretty tame compared to the previous night on the pyramid. I can see Metallica being on a different scale again, but it won't be dangerous

Edited May 31, 2014 by WessexBoy

[DeanoL]

I agree it probably won't get nasty on the night itself just pointing out that this thread has the potential to put off people. It has a very un-Glastonbury feel. For someone like myself who has yet to decide where to go on Saturday night it's making other parts of the festival a more attractive proposition.

I wouldn't let it put you off. I'm definitely one of the top three c**ts in this thread and I won't even be there. I imagine most of the other militant anti-moshers won't either, and certainly not at the front.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

There wont be any trouble caused by the moshers anyway the trouble will be from the fucking millitant dickheads `attacking them` for doing so(if they do that is.....ironiclly this act would be causing far more crowd issues then the moshers would and considering their stance on `respect` for other festival goers etc would also be extremly hypocritcal

I was sort of getting at this on the Metallica 2014 thread about people wanting to mosh. The thing is, most people will really not understand what others are doing; the majority of Glastonbury will not know what a mosh pit is so it's a difficult one. I think if those with a desire to mosh respect the environment they're in and remain aware that about 99% of Glastonbury attendees don't want to get involved, you'll find less trouble. Find your crowd and join in with it. On the other hand, if people sense that it's becoming a bit hectic (and I doubt it will - this is the band that did 'Until It Sleeps' for fuck sake; biggest Metal crime ever), just take a few steps back. If you're in a camping chair, you shouldn't be down near the front anyway.

[frostypaw]

about 99% of Glastonbury attendees don't want to get involved

"fucking militant dickheads" you mean

when you divide the world into just people like you and 'fucking militant dickheads' then life really is easy

and labelling other people with such venom means when you try and mosh and bash some guy and he complains "OI! I've got my 15yo daughter here, what do you think you're doing?" You get to label them as a 'fucking militant dickhead' restricting your right to enjoy your music and then you won't have to feel bad about accidentally moshing into their face

your attitude and liberal use of insults and very simplistic us-them thinking is more scary than the idea of a few teen metal fans.

Noone will attack you but you might get reminded that people are free to do as they want at the festival - if that includes not giving you the chance to decide how THEY enjoy the music then don't be too surprised.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

"fucking militant dickheads" you mean

when you divide the world into just people like you and 'fucking militant dickheads' then life really is easy

and labelling other people with such venom means when you try and mosh and bash some guy and he complains "OI! I've got my 15yo daughter here, what do you think you're doing?" You get to label them as a 'fucking militant dickhead' restricting your right to enjoy your music and then you won't have to feel bad about accidentally moshing into their face

your attitude and liberal use of insults and very simplistic us-them thinking is more scary than the idea of a few teen metal fans.

Noone will attack you but you might get reminded that people are free to do as they want at the festival - if that includes not giving you the chance to decide how THEY enjoy the music then don't be too surprised.

I'm not entirely sure who you're talking to there, FrostyPaw.

[frostypaw]

Thatcrazypenguin - the guy insisting on his right to mosh

Ooh I see sorry should have multiquoted to be clear sorry spiny fella

Edited June 1, 2014 by frostypaw

[jeffie]

I think the point I was trying and obviously failing to make pages ago is similar to that of Frosty. I won't be at the front, but might be near. I will probably be with a group that includes all ages.Jo

If a mosh pit opens up, I'm still unclear what the heck that means, in front of us. I will do my best to move away. However if people start flinging themselves into us, I will do what I must to stop anyone I know getting hurt by this. That doesn't mean I'm going to hit anyone, but if you run into me you might find that it's a fairly solid part that you run into.

If it's a choice between one of my friends getting knocked over or someone who has decided that they want to throw themselves around then I know who I would choose.

Is that unreasonable?

[Wooderson]

I think the point I was trying and obviously failing to make pages ago is similar to that of Frosty. I won't be at the front, but might be near. I will probably be with a group that includes all ages.Jo

If a mosh pit opens up, I'm still unclear what the heck that means, in front of us. I will do my best to move away. However if people start flinging themselves into us, I will do what I must to stop anyone I know getting hurt by this. That doesn't mean I'm going to hit anyone, but if you run into me you might find that it's a fairly solid part that you run into.

If it's a choice between one of my friends getting knocked over or someone who has decided that they want to throw themselves around then I know who I would choose.

Is that unreasonable?

Unreasonable? Absolutely not.

I'll have my 6mth old with me, thus the involvement of my fist interacting w/ someone's chin if a mosh appears near me.

[Gnomicide]

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Is that unreasonable?

The thing is, you have to understand them just as much as they have to understand you. Most who'll have a good mosh won't do it out of spite nor will they jump into you deliberately to get you involved or intent on causing any suffering; they'll stick to their own little group and it'll be up to you to either move to a more comfortable location or find yourself having a word with maybe 20 or 30 people bouncing about having a good time in a way that's been done for 30 years.

The clashes involving 'Metalheads' and those who aren't 'Metalheads' - not that those 'Metalheads' will be at Glastonbury - is more often than not caused by people who don't understand why Metalheads do what they do, and if they did understand why Metalheads 'mosh', they would simply move away from it without fuss. What's to understand is that moshing is good hearted and senseless fun for those involved in it and has been common in metal's audience for around 30 years now; people involved in moshing take care of each other purely because they know in that sort of environment, things could go seriously wrong so they often do their absolute best to take whatever precaution necessary to ensure nobody gets injured. That's the etiquette.

The best thing to do, if it happens, is move away. You won't have to move far. Just away from whatever's happening. Nobody is pushing you away and the chances are whenever a mosh pit stops, you'll be able to go back to where you were standing beforehand, but if you see one develop, move. That's the best advice I can give to somebody unfamiliar with it.

[Ted Dansons Wig]

I thought it had been agreed pages back there wouldnt be the room to Mosh (whatever that means) near the front anyway.

Is this likely to happen anywheres in the pyramid field then? Surely not. Then it really is a bunch of tossers playing british bulldogs.

[A Guy Called Matt]

I'll go and see Dexy's instead I think,

[she bangs the drums]

I've seen Metallica 6 times with my wife who has cerebral palsy so struggles with balance and we have stood and watched them each time without any problems.

Metallica gigs/festival appearances are like any other with the etiquette that if you go right down to the front then there may be people jumping around and it being a bit lively.

If you don't want to get involved in any of that then just don't stand in front of the barrier! we will be stood just behind the barrier level with the Wateraid stand and I'm pretty confident there will be no problems around that area though there are no guarantees in a massive crowd there may be 1 or 2 knob heads, it won't be moshing that causes me problems.

For anyone thinking of giving Metallica a miss cause they are worried that they will be banged in stood behind the barrier then I would say to you that you will be missing them for a reason that will not even occur and you are more likely to see a bigger mosh pit for Prodigy, Chase and Status and Pendulum than you are for a Metallica gig these days.

[Gnomicide]

I've seen Metallica 6 times with my wife who has cerebral palsy so struggles with balance and we have stood and watched them each time without any problems.

Metallica gigs/festival appearances are like any other with the etiquette that if you go right down to the front then there may be people jumping around and it being a bit lively.

If you don't want to get involved in any of that then just don't stand in front of the barrier! we will be stood just behind the barrier level with the Wateraid stand and I'm pretty confident there will be no problems around that area though there are no guarantees in a massive crowd there may be 1 or 2 knob heads, it won't be moshing that causes me problems.

For anyone thinking of giving Metallica a miss cause they are worried that they will be banged in stood behind the barrier then I would say to you that you will be missing them for a reason that will not even occur and you are more likely to see a bigger mosh pit for Prodigy, Chase and Status and Pendulum than you are for a Metallica gig these days.

I feeling less annoyed

[willutalk]

I'll go and see Dexy's instead I think,

Your Member Title really lives up to your decision on mot seeing Metallica "Slightly mad"

[kingjamma]

The thing is, you have to understand them just as much as they have to understand you. Most who'll have a good mosh won't do it out of spite nor will they jump into you deliberately to get you involved or intent on causing any suffering; they'll stick to their own little group and it'll be up to you to either move to a more comfortable location or find yourself having a word with maybe 20 or 30 people bouncing about having a good time in a way that's been done for 30 years.

The clashes involving 'Metalheads' and those who aren't 'Metalheads' - not that those 'Metalheads' will be at Glastonbury - is more often than not caused by people who don't understand why Metalheads do what they do, and if they did understand why Metalheads 'mosh', they would simply move away from it without fuss. What's to understand is that moshing is good hearted and senseless fun for those involved in it and has been common in metal's audience for around 30 years now; people involved in moshing take care of each other purely because they know in that sort of environment, things could go seriously wrong so they often do their absolute best to take whatever precaution necessary to ensure nobody gets injured. That's the etiquette.

The best thing to do, if it happens, is move away. You won't have to move far. Just away from whatever's happening. Nobody is pushing you away and the chances are whenever a mosh pit stops, you'll be able to go back to where you were standing beforehand, but if you see one develop, move. That's the best advice I can give to somebody unfamiliar with it.

I know I'm playing devil's advocate here, but why should people have to move when others have decided they now want to start moshing? They could have been having an amazing time in the spot they were standing, had a great view and everything, and now they are the ones who have to move where now they no longer have a good view or whatever and their enjoyment of the gig has gone down slightly.

You are very correct in saying if you don't want to be part of it, move. But then again, why should they have to move?

The thing is, at the end of the day, this argument can have no true winner. Those who feel they have to mosh to enjoy the gig will have their enjoyment knocked down if they are told they can't. And those who don't want to be affected in anyway by moshers could have their enjoyment hindered should a mosh pit open by them. Therefore, and has been said several times, consideration to both parties is key.