Metallica....in the Mosh, will there be a mosh, not in the mosh?

[The Nal]

those of us who want to mosh me included will actully be looking for others of our mindset in the crowd before we start a moshpit which is why its only likly to happen close to the front among the actual fans of the band rather then generally in the crowd....

Im a fan of the band, I want to be near the front and I dont want to mosh or be involved in moshing. I want to watch and hear the gig.

If I wasnt a fan I couldnt care less as I either wouldnt be there or Id be down the back.

Why dont you and your gang of moshers go down the very back where youll have lots of room and you wont piss off the 99% of people who are there for the band? You can still hear the gig from there. Considering you dont have much interest in actually watching the gig surely it makes no difference?

[alexwetherell]

I love how pissy people are getting about mosh pits. But I bet you won't complain if you went to a Metallica gig.. Pipe down and enjoy it

[The Nal]

But I bet you won't complain if you went to a Metallica gig.. Pipe down and enjoy it

I've been to Metallica gigs and its exactly why I'm complaining.

Id enjoy it more if there weren't halfwits jumping into each other and creating a squash for other people.

[Swine_Glasto2014]

I'm.gonna dance

[jeffie]

I've been to Metallica gigs and its exactly why I'm complaining.

Id enjoy it more if there weren't halfwits jumping into each other and creating a squash for other people.

This, particularly the point about "wits"

[acidstorm523]

Im a fan of the band, I want to be near the front and I dont want to mosh or be involved in moshing. I want to watch and hear the gig.

If I wasnt a fan I couldnt care less as I either wouldnt be there or Id be down the back.

Why dont you and your gang of moshers go down the very back where youll have lots of room and you wont piss off the 99% of people who are there for the band? You can still hear the gig from there. Considering you dont have much interest in actually watching the gig surely it makes no difference?

I haven't a seen Metallica, but I would say the same of the prodigy gigs. I'm pretty lively and I love jumping up and down, but I don't get the shoving that goes on in the mosh put..and you do get guys who are aggressive in there..it's just annoying. As he says, go to the back where you aren't spoiling it..

[jeffie]

I'm.gonna dance

I'm gonna bleedin' Charleston and Waltz and I claim my right to do so right in front of the stage!

[CaledonianGonzo]

It's odd - when you look at footage of concerts in 60s, 70s and 80s people didn't bounce - Woodstock, Altamont, Led Zeppelin live, Jim Hendrix at Monterey, The Who at Isle of Wight - no one felt the need to hop up and down on the spot like masai warriors on a hotplate.

[jeffie]

99% of people who are fans of metallica are used to moshers mate, ive certainly never been abused for it at a metallica gig and ive seen them many times

And?

[The Nal]

I haven't a seen Metallica, but I would say the same of the prodigy gigs. I'm pretty lively and I love jumping up and down, but I don't get the shoving that goes on in the mosh put..and you do get guys who are aggressive in there..it's just annoying. As he says, go to the back where you aren't spoiling it..

Seen the the Prodigy 12 or 13 times I think and its always madness yeah. Lots of jumping up and down etc. Always great.

A mosh pit is very very different though. Creating a large empty area near the front where there usually isn't much room at the expense of others enjoyment of the gig.

Just so a handful of witless cretins can bash into each other.

99% of people who are fans of metallica are used to moshers mate, ive certainly never been abused for it at a metallica gig and ive seen them many times

I'm used to them too.

I'm also used to bad drivers. I don't like them either.

Whats your point?

Edited June 2, 2014 by The Nal

[jeffie]

his point was fans of the band would be pissed off by it......no they wouldnt.

Yes they would actually.

[acidstorm523]

its not just metal bands mate prodigy ive seen a couple times both have had pits breaking out.....

That's what I just said? But the prodigy gigs have only been moving in the mosh direction since they started doing Sonisphere and the like..was more bouncy fun before..shame

[jeffie]

And this is exactly what Eavis was concerned about I guess?

[acidstorm523]

seen them long before that mate in my experience any energetic powerful music can lead to that kind of dancing, seen it at metal shows, dance shows, hop hop shows. its just another stereotype that its only metal fans.

Yup, I've been seeing them since 92.. But there were no mosh pits then. So if we are ignorant, and you tell us the Glastonbury mosh pit will be "not particularly violent", enlighten us as to what it's really about?

[jeffie]

Yup, I've been seeing them since 92.. But there were no mosh pits then. So if we are ignorant, and you tell us the Glastonbury mosh pit will be "not particularly violent", enlighten us as to what it's really about?

Yes, describe what will happen in "the pit"

[acidstorm523]

Le Pit

[jeffie]

"Pista de Pogo!"

[acidstorm523]

Playa de Push

[rjb94]

....... but dont tell us few moshers who are going to see the biggest metal band of all time on the largest stage in the world that we cant go nuts for the band just because you have some stupid idea of what moshing actully is and want to judge us on it.

it's possible to go nuts without bashing into other people you know. It's all very well telling people to move away if they don't want to be involved but someone always has to be stood at the edge of a mosh pit. I have nothing against moshing or moshers, and personally won't have a problem if any pits break out, but I think you'll be in a minority at Glastonbury. Just be prepared for people around you reacting poorly if you're planning on starting a pit.

It would help if anti-moshers wouldn't purposefully try and hurt any moshers who accidentally bash into them though - that's how proper fights break out.

[jeffie]

"I just want to say one thing to you, you young, college lughead-types. I've been watchin' people like you sluggin' around other people for seven years. And you know what? It's the same shit. I wish you'd understand that in an environment like this, and in a setting like this, it's fairly inappropriate and unfair to the rest of the people around you. I, and we, publicly take a stand against moshing!"

Billy Corgan

[Gnomicide]

Homer Simpson. smiling politely.

[acidstorm523]

I NEED to know what it means now! I feel like I'm missing something that must be going straight over my lil ole head

[DeanoL]

your first point is stupid , comparing a mosh pit in a large crowd to putting a 6 month year old baby in harms way.....mosh or no mosh thats not good parental judgement its not to do with non enjoyment of the father/mother its to do with the safty of the tiny child simple as.

second is just as stupid when its been stated numerous times that random pits into people who plainly arent interested will not happen at glastonbury, those of us who want to mosh me included will actully be looking for others of our mindset in the crowd before we start a moshpit which is why its only likly to happen close to the front among the actual fans of the band rather then generally in the crowd....belive it or not we dont want to cause problems and we`re aware its not a metallica crowd. so your describing a problem that simply wont happen(and fantasiing again how you could be violent to those talked about in your hypothetical very unlikly to happen situation....very amusing weve another forum tough guy here fellas haha)

either way try again wont you.

You didn't understand my first point, so yeah go on, I'll try again. I can stop using capital letters if it makes it easier for you to understand? Taking a baby down the front is of course "a bad idea" the problem was, the guy was saying he'd be annoyed if there was a crying baby next to him during a the set. To which the obvious reply is why be annoyed, why not just move? Because that's the advice being given to anyone who doesn't want to get involved in the moshing and gets caught in it. And if of course highlights the obvious answer: why should it be down to us to move, and not the guy with the baby disrupting it for everyone else?

Forget about metal bands for this case, lets assume you're seeing another band that you like, but they're not a mosh band, and you're down the front. And someone is next to you with a crying baby. Do you just move? Or do you think hang on, maybe they should be the one moving? Given they're the one ruining it for other people.

And I am really not a tough guy in the slightest. I've been caught in a mosh, unwillingly, before, had someone run at me and I got hurt. Had to leave the crowd and get fixed up. It's because I'm not tough in the slightest that if I end up in that situation now, I either leave or, if I don't want to give up a good position in the crowd, make sure to look after myself. As I found out the once, you don't have to be tough in the slightest to floor a guy running full pelt, head first, into your elbow. Didn't feel good about it, but better he got hurt than me.

I don't see how anyone here can be bothered by that - they've all said if they're moshing and see people who don't want to be involved, they won't involve them.

[Just as an aside, it might be worth noting that Glastonbury has high def cameras on the front of the crowd at all time, and a list of names and photos of everyone at the festival. If someone did get hurt in the mosh, through no fault of their own - remember it's all on video - they could easily report it, the police would have to look in to it, identifying the culprit would be fairly simple and there's probably a decent civil settlement in it for them. Just a thought.]

[Swine_Glasto2014]

He has nothing to worry about! Nor has anybody else.

Can't see a mosh happening after reading this thread!

[Guest]

Will there be a mosh breaking out when Lana del Rey plays because my wife wants to see her and I don't want her getting hurt. I suppose the dangers aren't so great as people will be moshing in slow motion.