Headliners 2015

[kingcrawler]

NGHFB would need at the least 6/7 Oasis songs included in the set list to a 'successful headliner' .. Which is something which I imagine he wouldn't agree to .. Especially since they now have another album under their belt.

They have some solid songs, but nothing that could lead to any form of singalong to create a 'Pryamid moment'. Mumfords/Florence even have songs in this bracket, which for me would make them more worthy.

People agree Morrissey isn't big enough to headline without The Smiths, and he has some huge solo hits, so by means could Noel Gallagher headline without Oasis?!

He's been playing 5/6 Oasis songs a night on this tour and there's no reason to change that. The Oasis songs more than make up for the lack of HFB singalongs.

[Bonehead> Clapton]

NGHFB would need at the least 6/7 Oasis songs included in the set list to a 'successful headliner' .. Which is something which I imagine he wouldn't agree to .. Especially since they now have another album under their belt.

They have some solid songs, but nothing that could lead to any form of singalong to create a 'Pryamid moment'. Mumfords/Florence even have songs in this bracket, which for me would make them more worthy.

People agree Morrissey isn't big enough to headline without The Smiths, and he has some huge solo hits, so by means could Noel Gallagher headline without Oasis?!

He is, think hes been playing the masterplan, Champagne supernova, Digsy's Dinner, Fade away, Dont Look back in anger etc

[st dan]

He's been playing 5/6 Oasis songs a night on this tour and there's no reason to change that. The Oasis songs more than make up for the lack of HFB singalongs.

So why was Morrissey (pre cow/milk meltdown) not worthy of a headline slot? He plays 5/6 Smiths songs .. It's because it's not the same thing. As will be the case with Noel. Edited April 24, 2015 by st dan

[Spindles]

To be honest it's a fair question. Why isn't Morrissey headline status? He has the back catalogue, with perhaps as many great solo songs as there are Smiths songs, of which he's not that shy of playing a few.

[The Nal]

The last thing anyone needs to hear is Don't Look Back in Anger again.

[kingcrawler]

So why was Morrissey (pre cow/milk meltdown) not worthy of a headline slot? He plays 5/6 Smiths songs .. It's because it's not the same thing. As will be the case with Noel.

Noel's bigger than Morrissey though. His tours and albums sell better and I'd say he's generally more well known.

[Bonehead> Clapton]

The last thing anyone needs to hear is Don't Look Back in Anger again.

Yea beacuse it's terrible being in a field with 80'000 people singing there hearts out to it!

[briddj]

and she had 16 characters left.

She could have said "it's all wrong". She didn't.

She didn't have 16 left.

[st dan]

Noel's bigger than Morrissey though. His tours and albums sell better and I'd say he's generally more well known.

If we were taking about headlining Leeds/Reading then I agree than this would be the case. But if we're talking about Glastonbury and their audience as a whole .. I'm sure Morrissey would be a much more popular choice.

[neil999]

The last thing anyone needs to hear is Don't Look Back in Anger again.

tell me about it, at least he wont be wearing those godawful red sunglasses...

[Waapster]

Anyone think it could be Muse subbing AC/DC?

They are both free that night.

AC/DC are free? I don't think anybody has considered them yet.

[briddj]

ELO are nowhere near big enough to sub.

Noel has already announced 2 other UK festival dates, so there doesn't seem to be ant reason why his appearance would have to be held back for Calling.

Not if the Glastonbury booking was agreed later, and at the time the other festivals were booked they all knew about each other having Noel.

[Bonehead> Clapton]

Im sorry but Morrissey hasnt really been relevent in years. and that outburst about the farming aint gonna help him. The fact people consider him headliner worthy is laughable

Edited April 24, 2015 by Bonehead> Clapton

[kingcrawler]

If we were taking about headlining Leeds/Reading then I agree than this would be the case. But if we're talking about Glastonbury and their audience as a whole .. I'm sure Morrissey would be a much more popular choice.

I was more meaning in general than in terms of Glastonbury specifically but I reckon Noel would draw a reasonable crowd as a headliner, doubt it would be any smaller than Arcade Fire's anyway. Not sure I'd say the same for Morrissey.

[The Nal]

Im sorry but Morrissey hasnt really been relevent in years. and that outburst about the farming aint gonna help him. The fact people consider him headliner worthy is laughable

Morrissey is very relevant. Just not on the bland mass scale that Noel (apparently) is.

Mozs latest album is fantastic. Noels is the usual 6/10 dogshit.

[Bonehead> Clapton]

Morrissey is very relevant. Just not on the bland mass scale that Noel (apparently) is.

Mozs latest album is fantastic. Noels is the usual 6/10 dogshit.

In your opinion of course. but like ive said beofre, you dont speak on behalf of glastonbury. You said it yourself "Mass Scale" so thank you for proving my point. I dont think noel should headline, he should sub. But he'd headline way before Morrissey

[eFestivals]

The reason I disagree with it is because Glastonbury haven't held back announcing acts other festivals have had before

Yes they have. The best example is Stereophonics in 2000, who were only confirmed when you got the programme as you walked thru the gates, and who were headlining V fest that year.

The choice to hold back isn't Glastonbury's. They will have been told by Stereophonics that they'd have to accept them on those terms else they couldn't play. And Stereophonics would have been told by V Fest that that would be the terms they had to work to if they wished for an exception to the exclusivity clause they'd already signed.

Whether or not an act has to be held back is dependent on any existing contracts, but it hasn't happened too much at Glastonbury because Glastonbury has hardly ever shared a headliner with another English festival - because those other festivals don't want to share them.

(Muse were announced as sub-headliner for V fest the year they first headlined Glasto, before someone brings that up.)

How far down the bill any exclusivity clauses might go will depend on what the promoter wants to do - but real world says you won't want to ask for it too much cos if everyone did that they'd be far fewer bands available to put on festival line-ups.

and the fact he isn't billed as an exclusive at those festivals.

If he's playing more than one he's not exclusive, is he? So he couldn't be billed as that.

But nothing about that stops restrictive clauses being written. He might have signed up to play Calling first and without any restrictions, and then signed for Latitude where they said he couldn't add any further shows. It can work any which way you can think of, if a promoter wants to ensure their investment in that act is protected as best it can be.

The only unique thing about this situation is that we believe that it's a late booking, which is quite a unique situation, so it's harder for us to take precedent from prior years.

If it is a late booking, that would make it more likely of some sort of restrictive clause being in the way.

But anyway, given that I've been told the headliner can't be announced because of "other shows" (note the plural), the late announcement is definitely due to something contractual.

I just don't believe that Noel as a headliner would be held back until June. I know it depends on their contracts, but with Noel playing at three UK festivals, I personally don't see him having clauses saying he can't be announced for anything else. I know you think he does. The truth is, neither of us really know, we're just speculating.

I'm certainly speculating about Noel, true. But everything fits about Noel, so he can't be ruled out.

Everything I know about Melvin says he signs his headliners on restrictive contracts. And then take the time to look at his line-ups (R/L, and Latitude) over the years and see that there's almost no instances of his headliners playing other English shows (they normally share one or more acts with T in the Park). There have been a few exceptions; Pulp one year were billed as a "northern England exclusive" (for Leeds) or something similarly silly. Noel doing Calling when he's playing Latitude is another exception.

[Andy0808 v5]

Morrissey is very relevant. Just not on the bland mass scale that Noel (apparently) is.

Mozs latest album is fantastic. Noels is the usual 6/10 dogshit.

Noel got a 2:1? He can be proud of that.

[fatyeti24]

Yea beacuse it's terrible being in a field with 80'000 people singing there hearts out to it!

one man's piss is another man's pleasure

[Keithy]

Emily's word's fail to say that the "penultimate" is normal band, when she makes a point of stating that the final band is a standard band.

That says to me that the "penultimate" is not a standard band.

Vic and Bob surreal 90 minute set followed by Prince. Obviously.

[The Nal]

In your opinion of course. but like ive said beofre, you dont speak on behalf of glastonbury. You said it yourself "Mass Scale" so thank you for proving my point. I dont think noel should headline, he should sub. But he'd headline way before Morrissey

Yep, you're probably right, unfortunately.

[Andy0808 v5]

one man's piss is another man's pleasure

Even Sköl?

[Bonehead> Clapton]

one man's piss is another man's pleasure

Yep! so much negativity on here. If you dont like it, dont watch it. Its glatonbury. So much other stuff to do. Leave the 80'000 people watching noel to it.

[cdm22]

Yea beacuse it's terrible being in a field with 80'000 people singing there hearts out to it!

...as opposed to every fecker with a guitar on every street corner near a shopping centre near you!

[mocoworm]

The info embargo is *DEFINITELY* because the headliner "has other shows".

I'm 100% certain of this.

This does fit with Fleetwood Mac as well. IOW etc. What do you think are the chances they could be one of the bands?