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what worries me about emily eavis and her catching them at the right time statement, is that she refers to acts who have just sold loads of records.

I hope mumford and sons hasnt started a trend that is going to lead to ed sheeran and the like headlining in the near future, just because they are popular with the record buying public.

Yup, and all the other big UK Festivals, so nothing new at all having them headline.

Sadly Ed is well on course to headline, look at the tickets his shifting next year, 3 nights at Wembley Stadium! Utter madness!

On the plus side, his at least "worked" his way up the stages at Glastonbury so I am a bit more forgiving if they do go for him.

If music continues to go more and more mainstream and banal in terms of what is popular then Glasto will do likewise unfortunately.

It doesn't take away from the fact that Glasto will always have great music.

It just means that for a lot of people, that music will increasingly be found mainly on the smaller stages.

It will probably also see the continued growth of some of the better boutique festivals that don't book acts based on commercial success.

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what worries me about emily eavis and her catching them at the right time statement, is that she refers to acts who have just sold loads of records.

I hope mumford and sons hasnt started a trend that is going to lead to ed sheeran and the like headlining in the near future, just because they are popular with the record buying public.

You're such a Debbie Downer. What up and coming bands do you think are in with a headliner shout at some point in the future then? If not those who sell records (Ed Sheeran, Florence, Mumford ... in a few years time Bastille, Haim, London Grammar) then who?

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The problem is, if they are looking at "young bands" now as potential headliners in ten years time, there's nothing to say they will actually fulfill their potential and come out with enough decent material to put a headline set together, or that they will still be relevant in 10 years time.

I'm pretty sure there'll be bands in the running for headlining Glastonbury 2025 that haven't released anything yet - and may not even exist yet.

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If music continues to go more and more mainstream and banal in terms of what is popular then Glasto will do likewise unfortunately.

It doesn't take away from the fact that Glasto will always have great music.

It just means that for a lot of people, that music will increasingly be found mainly on the smaller stages.

It will probably also see the continued growth of some of the better boutique festivals that don't book acts based on commercial success.

Music has always had a steady stream of immensely popular banality. The idea that it's getting "more and more" is a nonsense.

"It wasn't like that in my day. We had cutting edge popular acts like Dido and David Gray..."

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I've got a mental image of russycarps being Marvin the Paranoid Android that I just can't shift and makes me chuckle each time I see a post.

Go on Russy break the cycle - tell us what music/line-up would make you happy?

If that question causes a short circuit......sorry about that!

ironically...it would be radiohead!

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Go on Russy break the cycle - tell us what music/line-up would make you happy?

pj harvey

sigur ros

and lykkie li as the up and coming star getting the leg up to "catch at the right time"

I appreciate most of you people will be horrified at the prospect of 2 solo female artists headlining

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Music has always had a steady stream of immensely popular banality. The idea that it's getting "more and more" is a nonsense.

"It wasn't like that in my day. We had cutting edge popular acts like Dido and David Gray..."

I'm not disagreeing that banality has always been around.

Formulaic garbage has always sold by the bucketload.

Stock, Aiken and Waterman made colossal money from doing exactly that.

And I don't doubt there have been some bad lineups on the Pyramid over the years... Saturday night 2007 being one that stands out.

I do question whether there are that many edgy, experimental or fresh acts now that reach the level of popularity of, say, Radiohead and Prodigy who both headlined the Pyramid at my first Glasto. And you have to reach a certain level before you're deemed eligible to headline.

The popular music market, in my middle-aged cynical opinion, is just saturated with dreary, cheesy, repetitive, inoffensive rubbish and that's why the acts who produce it are being tipped as future headliners

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I do question whether there are that many edgy, experimental or fresh acts now that reach the level of popularity of, say, Radiohead and Prodigy who both headlined the Pyramid at my first Glasto. And you have to reach a certain level before you're deemed eligible to headline.

The popular music market, in my middle-aged cynical opinion, is just saturated with dreary, cheesy, repetitive, inoffensive rubbish and that's why the acts who produce it are being tipped as future headliners

They weren't that different though. It's just a generational thing. If Radiohead or The Prodigy were just coming about now and suggested for headliner they'd be panned by the same folk that are dismissing The Vaccines or Foals or others. Kate Bush and Florence and the Machine is an interesting case too as they have a bloody similar act yet one is amazing and one is banal pop shite.

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I say it over and over again, but I think the days of Glastonbury picking truly 'outsider' headliners is gone.

I would have much rather had PJ Harvey headline over Beyonce for example, or Nick Cave over Mumfords - due to the show and music, rather than any kind of 'snobbery'.

But they poop themselves over ticket sales these days after 2008, and so we're always likely to see those who can shift records/tickets.

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They weren't that different though. It's just a generational thing. If Radiohead or The Prodigy were just coming about now and suggested for headliner they'd be panned by the same folk that are dismissing The Vaccines or Foals or others. Kate Bush and Florence and the Machine is an interesting case too as they have a bloody similar act yet one is amazing and one is banal pop shite.

Personally I think it's wrong to lump Florence in with pop dross.

I still think her first album is a great effort.

If it was between her and Taylor Swift, that's no contest.

And I think Foals are nailed on to headline next time they have an album.

I'd have no problem with that either... I'd see it as exactly the kind of act who deserve a go.

The Vaccines look to be on that trajectory too.

I don't think either of them are anywhere near as fresh as the two I mentioned were back in the day but that is a biased opinion!

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I say it over and over again, but I think the days of Glastonbury picking truly 'outsider' headliners is gone.

I would have much rather had PJ Harvey headline over Beyonce for example, or Nick Cave over Mumfords - due to the show and music, rather than any kind of 'snobbery'.

But they poop themselves over ticket sales these days after 2008, and so we're always likely to see those who can shift records/tickets.

After seeing Nick Cave for the first time at Sziget last year I can't think of many acts who I'd rather see headline the Pyramid.

It needs to be dark before NCATBS come on.

It was brilliant

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This is a bit like when the Arctic Monkeys first showed up and many people quickly saw that they were exceptionally talented and would go a long way. Throughout their entire career though people have been saying bullshit like "nah, they won't be remembered in 20 years" as they do with most new bands.

Anyway, the quality of music being produced has never really changed, but music tends to get better respected the older it gets. Maybe because predominantly young people like new music (as old people dismiss is as "not as good as their day") and both old and young people like old music.

One thing that I do actually think has happened though is that, even though the country's "quality of taste" hasn't changed, the charts have got worse. I'd put this down to downloading. It's much further skewed towards younger fans and people who wouldn't have made the effort to go out and buy a 7" or CD single, whereas older people more serious about their music don't really bother legally downloading singles.

For example I've picked a random top 20 from 1982. Not exactly remembered as a vintage time for music.

1
DO YOU REALLY WANT TO HURT ME
CULTURE CLUB
2
ANNIE, I'M NOT YOUR DADDY
KID CREOLE AND THE COCONUTS
3
STARMAKER
KIDS FROM 'FAME'
4
LOVE ME DO
BEATLES
5
PASS THE DUTCHIE
MUSICAL YOUTH
6
MAD WORLD
TEARS FOR FEARS
7
LIFELINE
SPANDAU BALLET
8
ZOOM
FAT LARRY'S BAND
9
HARD TO SAY I'M SORRY
CHICAGO
10
I WANNA DO IT WITH YOU
BARRY MANILOW
11
I DON'T WANNA DANCE
EDDY GRANT
12
DANGER GAMES
PINKEES
13
REAP THE WILD WIND
ULTRAVOX
14
THE HOUSE OF THE RISING SUN
ANIMALS
15
ZIGGY STARDUST
BAUHAUS
16
OOH LA LA LA (LET'S GO DANCIN')
KOOL AND THE GANG
17
JACKIE WILSON SAID
KEVIN ROWLAND AND DEXY'S MIDNIGHT RUNNERS
18
SHOULD I STAY OR SHOULD I GO/STRAIGHT TO HELL
CLASH
19
I'LL BE SATISFIED
SHAKIN' STEVENS
20
LOVE COME DOWN
EVELYN 'CHAMPAGNE' KING
Yeah there's shite in there. No rose tinted spectacles, shit music has always been popular. But there's also good stuff. Look at the current top 20, which I can't even be bothered to copy and paste, and there is no good stuff.

Doesn't matter though, really.

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After seeing Nick Cave for the first time at Sziget last year I can't think of many acts who I'd rather see headline the Pyramid.

It needs to be dark before NCATBS come on.

It was brilliant

I saw Nick Cave on the Pyramid - I think it was in 2009, although he wasn't headlining (Blur had the top slot that year). My profile pic was taken just before that gig, which was absolutely amazing. He played 'The Weeping Song', which is one of my favourites.

Only problem was I then ended up having to watch Blur because all my friends wanted to, even though I've never liked them (I was more of a riot grrrl in my teenage years so the whole Brit Pop thing wasn't my scene). Nothing quite like 100,000 people singing along to 'Boys and Girls' to ruin the profound effect of seeing Mr Cave perform live.

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