Kendrick Lamar

[eFestivals]

what's that thing called when one race has rights to do things other races aren't....?

[Amy Lawn]

Its cringe enough even before her poor choice of words. Y u get this idiot on stage Ken? Even if you are one of those white people who decides to say it in the crowd, you've got to be a total arsehole to not realise saying it in front of a crowd is a very bad idea.

[Alex DeLarge]

I saw a tweet saying that word is the last thing black people would hear before they were lynched which shows the importance of reclaiming it.

Personally, I don’t get why you’d want to say it?

[Mash011]

4 hours ago, eFestivals said:

what's that thing called when one race has rights to do things other races aren't....?

Piss off 

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, Mash011 said:

Piss off 

Why? Was the question a bit difficult for you?

Can't you see that there's problems with the privileged-use idea?

[Winslow Leach]

Imagine 'casual use of the n word to own the libs' being a hill you were actually willing to die on on an internet forum

[Badlands]

Is 'hill you're willing to die on' a new phrase? I don't think I'd heard it in my life and now it's everywhere. 

[Mash011]

14 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Why? Was the question a bit difficult for you?

Can't you see that there's problems with the privileged-use idea?

Yes Neil you are being oppressed by the racist anti-white PC cuck police taking away your god-given right to use the N-word. I'm sure it must be devastating.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Mash011

[eFestivals]

Just now, Mash011 said:

Yes Neil you are being oppressed by the racist anti-white PC cuck police taking away your gig-given right to use the N-word. I'm sure it must be devastating.

Is that where your thinking is at?

Dear oh dear.

[ghostdancer1]

the person that comes out worst in this is Kendrick tbf.

if you don't want white people singing your lyrics, then don't get them up onstage to sing your lyrics ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Mash011]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Is that where your thinking is at?

Dear oh dear.

Go on then Neil bring out your reasoned, logical argument for why it's fine for white people to say the N word.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Mash011 said:

Go on then Neil bring out your reasoned, logical argument for why it's fine for white people to say the N word.

I didn't for a moment suggest that it did.  There's more than one logical conclusion to what I said.

I'm saddened by the persistence of the word, and was pointing out the absurdity of the justification for its use.

Edited May 22, 2018 by eFestivals

[CaledonianGonzo]

This is why Trump won!

[FatAmmy]

5 hours ago, eFestivals said:

what's that thing called when one race has rights to do things other races aren't....?

It's called "literally the very least you can do"

[Alex DeLarge]

Welp. I'm out the thread before this all kicks off.

But before I go, think about the n word. Ask yourself why you want to say it. Ask yourself why we censor it and no-one has actually typed it out. Perhaps consider when everyone being offended by the word started, considering a mere 40-50 years ago it was used commonly in the States to degrade an entire group of people.

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, Alex DeLarge said:

Ask yourself why you want to say it.

I don't want to say it, said just in case anyone (see above) is still making up their own versions.

[dentalplan]

8 minutes ago, Alex DeLarge said:

Welp. I'm out the thread before this all kicks off.

But before I go, think about the n word. Ask yourself why you want to say it. Ask yourself why we censor it and no-one has actually typed it out. Perhaps consider when everyone being offended by the word started, considering a mere 40-50 years ago it was used commonly in the States to degrade an entire group of people.

It seems that people wanna say it because they wanna sing along to the songs that they like, and planning out your singalong to avoid accidentally becoming a 17th century plantation owner is weird as fuck. Nobody is saying "why can't we just say it to each other? why???", it's just a case of singing along to a song which doesn't actually have any racial connotations that everybody else is.

Like saying it on stage is obviously critically stupid but I don't think anyone believes she's a racist yet she's being goaded far and wide and has had to escape the internet. And Kendrick knew what he was doing, he's done this before, he seemed like he was more bothered about her losing the crowd than saying abusive words. This "buried your own grave" girl that posted the first tweet seems much more hateful and intolerant.

[eFestivals]

Just now, dentalplan said:

which doesn't actually have any racial connotations

i'd say it's impossible to be unassociated from those connations by all people who use it. That's why it saddens me that its used.

Other views are available of course, but that creates its own problems around privileged use (else they'd be no comment about the sing-along girl).

[The Martini Police]

7 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

It seems that people wanna say it because they wanna sing along to the songs that they like, and planning out your singalong to avoid accidentally becoming a 17th century plantation owner is weird as fuck. Nobody is saying "why can't we just say it to each other? why???", it's just a case of singing along to a song which doesn't actually have any racial connotations that everybody else is.

Like saying it on stage is obviously critically stupid but I don't think anyone believes she's a racist yet she's being goaded far and wide and has had to escape the internet. And Kendrick knew what he was doing, he's done this before, he seemed like he was more bothered about her losing the crowd than saying abusive words. This "buried your own grave" girl that posted the first tweet seems much more hateful and intolerant.

Absolutely nailed it here. 

[dentalplan]

5 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

i'd say it's impossible to be unassociated from those connations by all people who use it. That's why it saddens me that its used.

Other views are available of course, but that creates its own problems around privileged use (else they'd be no comment about the sing-along girl).

Do you not think - decades from now - people could only know the word from the modern usage by POCs and it'd be a lesser known fact that it used to be a racially charged insult, and the venom would be completely taken out of it because of that? Like, that is already happening to an extent in history, -a taking the place of -er and all that.

[Quark]

That vid is hard viewing.  Poor judgement all round I'd say.

Kendrick for inviting someone up on stage to sing along to what we'll call inappropriate lyrics for that person

The kid herself for not self-censoring (think someone on there mentioned radio edit lyrics?)

But yeah, the first person to post it on Twitter and bury her is also a dick.

Bag of angry wasps that one. Made the mistake of reading some of the Twitter thread.  Lot of aaaangy people on both sides

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

Do you not think - decades from now - people could only know the word from the modern usage by POCs

but surely that 'modern usage' is reverse-piggy-backing off the 'traditional' meaning, and therefore cannot be separated?

 

3 minutes ago, dentalplan said:

and it'd be a lesser known fact that it used to be a racially charged insult, and the venom would be completely taken out of it because of that? Like, that is already happening to an extent in history, -a taking the place of -er and all that.

I understand that argument and it's certainly an approach I admire for its up-yours driver ... but that doesn't necessarily mean I think it'll pan out as suggested there.

You say it's already happening, but I'd say the response to sing-along girl shows that it's not. And that also raises the question of when it's deemed to have worked enough so that non-blacks are permitted to use it in the same way.

There's absurdity around the privileged-use idea. I'm not sure it takes us to a better place.

But hey, I know that's old skool. I'm not saying it can't be used, I'm saying it saddens me that it is.

[Winslow Leach]

56 minutes ago, Alex DeLarge said:

Welp. I'm out the thread before this all kicks off.

Precisely why I subscribe to a firm 'nuke the General News Discussion thread from orbit' policy.

[FatAmmy]

I don't think we (White people) have any place in "eradicating" a word we have no right to use in the first place. It's not our call
 

Edited May 22, 2018 by FatAmmy

[Odessa]

Hmmm, I remember reading Of Mice And Men in school and we had to take turns to read out a page or whatever, and the white teacher and a class full of white kids all said the word when reading that. Was that wrong...? I'm assuming the general consensus is yes it was.

It obviously isn't for me to decide if it's ok so I don't use the word at gigs. But it's essentially quoting someone when reading a book or singing a song, not using it in your own words or calling anyone it so... idk. I certainly wouldn't label the girl a racist but she definitely lacks a lot of common sense.

I couldn't watch the video btw cos it seemed like it was gonna be too cringey, but I feel like I've got the gist of it.

Edited May 22, 2018 by Odessa