The Rise and Rise of UKIP

[eFestivals]

Interestingly they have removed ther policy document, I quoted below:

they have to keep changing every policy, to keep their not-paying-attention supporters on-side.

They're a populist party, which means they say they support whatever stupid Mail readers are screaming about today, to be replaced tomorrow by whatever those Mail readers are screaming about tomorrow.

And to be replaced by the original to-the-right-of-the-tories policies the moment they get a sniff of power. Their rich backers will demand their fee.

[grumpyhack]

The private health care and education would seem to apply to people arriving now - so they don't tap into and use state-provided benefits. I guess that 5co77ie has already had his education and has been paying tax and NI long enough to qualify for use of the NHS.

[eFestivals]

The private health care and education would seem to apply to people arriving now - so they don't tap into and use state-provided benefits. I guess that 5co77ie has already had his education and has been paying tax and NI long enough to qualify for use of the NHS.

How long you have to pay tax and NI until you get access to the things you've been paying for tho will be at the discretion of UKIP.

It'll depend how xenophobic they're feeling on the day the bill comes before parliament. Or it'll depend on how many pain killers they've taken that day.

The UKIP health insurance plans are suitably nutty - because who is going to be checking up on those immigrants to ensure they're keeping their health insurance paid up?

But hey, it probably won't matter. UKIP policy is to deport the immigrants already here who don't get enough points in their unspecified-method points system (they can't do something simple like specify how one of their most important policies will operate, cos then people will see what their policies are ).

Meanwhile we already have a points system, that lets in more people each year than come from the EU, and where the govt has absolute control of the numbers. If we need to control the numbers entering then everything is already in place ... perhaps their might be a good reason why that's not happening, but it's a bit much expecting UKIP to actually consider facts, methods, and impacts.

Edited December 16, 2014 by eFestivals

[windy_miller]

Would this also mean that new born children would not be allowed to use the NHS for 5 years?

[eFestivals]

If they where born here then they would have a right ?

If UKIP say so. They change what they say every day, so who knows?

If they did say so, it wouldn't be for every long - they're a party that is fundamentally against the NHS, and wish to abolish it.

Yes, I know that's not what they're saying this week, but this week they're being populous and not saying what they really think, what their rich backers DEMAND!

[windy_miller]

If they where born here then they would have a right ?

But they won't have paid anything into the system, and thus, by UKIPs logic, would not be entitled to any treatment.

[eFestivals]

But they won't have paid anything into the system, and thus, by UKIPs logic, would not be entitled to any treatment.

I suspect that this is where welfare policy is going, no matter which party gets power.

The tories have plans to limit benefits for the under 25 seven more than they're currently limited. It's only a small step from that to having a system where you have to make a particular level of contributions before you're entitled to get a benefit back.

(tho having said that, I don't really expect that to apply to health services for under-16s if their parents have contributed).

[krisskross]

If they where born here then they would have a right ?

But if the where born elsewhere I would presume so... They would need private insurance being realistic.

it doesnt give you a right to a passport so i doubt UKIP would give the right to healthcare...

[Ted Dansons Wig]

Polls show them down significantly with Farage below Cameron in popularity. Great shame.

Come on Nigel - grab dem Tory votes

[kaosmark2]

Polls show them down significantly with Farage below Cameron in popularity. Great shame.

Come on Nigel - grab dem Tory votes

Says it all. We need racist rich sexist bullies to get enough support to weaken the chance of success of other racist rich sexist bullies.

The system's fucked.

[eFestivals]

Polls show them down significantly with Farage below Cameron in popularity. Great shame.

Come on Nigel - grab dem Tory votes

I'm loving the fact that Farage has asked his members not to speak publicly - because so often when they do they give themselves away as racists. It's political madness gone correct!

I'm also loving how Farage said everyone uses racial slurs, but that a man of the people like Farage knows not to say it publicly, while those from council estates are too stupid to know it shouldn't be said in public. It's a good job he's not an elitist, eh?

And I can't wait to find out what that South Thanet councillor said to a TV crew that's had her thrown out of the party.

Meanwhile, along with Farage's very own political agent in South Thanet being an ex National Front party member, it turns out that Farage's Dad once stood as a National Front candidate. Who knew?

:lol:

[kaosmark2]

I'm loving the fact that Farage has asked his members not to speak publicly - because so often when they do they give themselves away as racists. It's political madness gone correct!

They don't always give themselves away as racists. Sometimes they give themselves away as homophobes or misogynists.

[Ted Dansons Wig]

Ended up watching "Nigel Farage meets 2 middle class twats with alcohol dependency issues that are on that other programme" over the weekend. Though I'm not sure I've got the title of the programme right.

It was actually fascinating. It was like watching one of them tv autopsies. Your stomach is churning, its utterly revolting and yet you cant look away. Utter twats the lot of them.

[windy_miller]

I'm loving the fact that Farage has asked his members not to speak publicly - because so often when they do they give themselves away as racists. It's political madness gone correct!

I'm also loving how Farage said everyone uses racial slurs, but that a man of the people like Farage knows not to say it publicly, while those from council estates are too stupid to know it shouldn't be said in public. It's a good job he's not an elitist, eh?

And I can't wait to find out what that South Thanet councillor said to a TV crew that's had her thrown out of the party.

Meanwhile, along with Farage's very own political agent in South Thanet being an ex National Front party member, it turns out that Farage's Dad once stood as a National Front candidate. Who knew?

:lol:

I read somewhere that she revealed UKIP policies that were not supposed to be revealed until after the general election. I think that tells you everything you need to know about the UKIPs, though ultimately, I imagine the other 3 major parties also have "secret" post-election policies.

EDIT: OK turns out she let slip the secret plans back in August.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/21/ukip-councillor-rozanne-duncan-expelled-kent-tv-interview

Edited December 22, 2014 by windy_miller

[windy_miller]

They keep getting better.

"Ukip candidate: 'Gay donkey tried to rape my horse'"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-candidate-gay-donkey-tried-to-rape-my-horse-9940230.html

[LondonTom]

They keep getting better.

"Ukip candidate: 'Gay donkey tried to rape my horse'"

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/ukip-candidate-gay-donkey-tried-to-rape-my-horse-9940230.html

Almost as good the one who blamed the storms and floods on gay people!

[grumpyhack]

I like this ad - though it was admitted later that the mistake was by a typesetter at the paper.

[zero000]

I like this ad - though it was admitted later that the mistake was by a typesetter at the paper.

"Mistake"

Edited December 22, 2014 by zero000

[eFestivals]

I read somewhere that she revealed UKIP policies that were not supposed to be revealed until after the general election. I think that tells you everything you need to know about the UKIPs, though ultimately, I imagine the other 3 major parties also have "secret" post-election policies.

EDIT: OK turns out she let slip the secret plans back in August.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/dec/21/ukip-councillor-rozanne-duncan-expelled-kent-tv-interview

the most brilliant thing about her being kicked out of the party is that she's been kicked out using "rule 15" of their constitution.

If you look UKIP's published constitution, it only goes up to rule 14.

http://www.ukip.org/the_constitution

Nigel making it up as he goes along? Who'd have thought it!

[eFestivals]

the perfect app for your android phone....

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fongames.ukick&hl=en_GB

Nigel says he's known for having a sense of humour, but he's lost the plot about this. The party that says people should be able to say what they think don't like people saying what they think.

Meanwhile, Nigel still has to realise that people are not laughing with him but laughing at him.

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I'm glad to see this stuff coming out, but we don't want too much of it. Yes, make it clear UKIP are not left wing, but don't go putting off the right-wing nutters who might vote for them - we need to make sure that UKIP splits the tory vote.

[windy_miller]

I'm glad to see this stuff coming out, but we don't want too much of it. Yes, make it clear UKIP are not left wing, but don't go putting off the right-wing nutters who might vote for them - we need to make sure that UKIP splits the tory vote.

It still amazes me that people think that UKIP are left wing and are "standing up for the working man".

[lost]

It still amazes me that people think that UKIP are left wing and are "standing up for the working man".

I drink in my local Labour club sometimes and I'd say around here there is a core of what I would call proper old Labour types who are anti-free trade / anti-free movement of workers who feel betrayed by new labour, haven't really found a new party and so are happy to support that single issue and ignore the other aspects of UKIP.

Its easy to forget from someone of my generation that before New Labour, leaving the EU was Labour policy and part of Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history" manifesto.

Quite funny though to see Milliband getting stick for supporting it recently: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/ed-miliband/10941419/Ed-Miliband-campaigned-for-Britain-to-leave-EU.html

[Ted Dansons Wig]

I drink in my local Labour club sometimes and I'd say around here there is a core of what I would call proper old Labour types who are anti-free trade / anti-free movement of workers who feel betrayed by new labour, haven't really found a new party and so are happy to support that single issue and ignore the other aspects of UKIP.

This makes me sad.

[grumpyhack]

The Bird has flown. One less to cluck things up.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30592072

[eFestivals]

Its easy to forget from someone of my generation that before New Labour, leaving the EU was Labour policy and part of Michael Foot's "longest suicide note in history" manifesto.

A part of Foot's manifesto - but a long long time before nuLabour.

And it's also worth noting that that "longest suicide note in history" was going to win hands-down until Thatcher cooked up a war to save herself. It's funny how historians always wipe over that part.

While I'm well aware of the anti-EU viewpoints within some parts of Labour, it's a mightily stupid Labour voter who would support UKIP because they agree with just that part of things whilst everything else of UKIP is designed to weaken the working man's position.

It's only the simpletons who think all of the UK's ills (or Scotland's, via the SNP) can be cured by just one policy that doesn't address even the smallest part of those ills.