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I'll be surprised if they play as guests if they're headlining elsewhere. We haven't had headliner sized guests since 2011 and things have changed (with the park) since then. As much as a special guest opener slot on the other can be built up it's still playing the second stage at lunch time... and a slot that has such previous acts as beady eye and what kaiser chiefs who were also playing jp. They're hardly reading headliners...

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I'll be surprised if they play as guests if they're headlining elsewhere. We haven't had headliner sized guests since 2011 and things have changed (with the park) since then. As much as a special guest opener slot on the other can be built up it's still playing the second stage at lunch time... and a slot that has such previous acts as beady eye and what kaiser chiefs who were also playing jp. They're hardly reading headliners...

yeah i'd say the only way it's gonna happen is if the band REALLY want to do it. as somebody mentioned earlier, Carl does love the festival, but from a business point of view it wouldn't make a lot of sense. they're definitely not gonna headline Other / sub Pyramid if they're now headlining TITP

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I think they'll be R&L exclusives but will be special guests or play unannounced to get round the "exclusive" bit of their contract. If they headline R&L they won't play Glastonbury 2016 (if there is one).

What i'm thinking now too tbh, I can't think of Melvin ever letting another english festival share a headliner with R&L

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I'd say they're cashing in and cleaning up this summer. I'd be surprised if there's really much more planned going beyond that.

I'd hope for at least some kind of tour off the back of the new record, would be a bit of a damp squib to release the record then do a bunch of festivals then that's it.

They all have musical interests beyond the Libs but I could see the Libs stuff being kept on the back burner indefinitely as long as it doesn't implode again. Carls new stuff isn't exactly setting the world alight.

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I think they'll be R&L exclusives but will be special guests or play unannounced to get round the "exclusive" bit of their contract. If they headline R&L they won't play Glastonbury 2016 (if there is one).

William Green on the thursday would be nice

But if they are cashing, don't think the "special guest" slots pay much, its just the publicity.

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William Green on the thursday would be nice

But if they are cashing, don't think the "special guest" slots pay much, its just the publicity.

not a chance they'd play William's Green. people would get crushed to death. IF they're gonna do a secret set, it'll be opening the Other stage, but even that's doubtful as they're miles bigger than both Beady Eye and Kaiser Chiefs

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not a chance they'd play William's Green. people would get crushed to death. IF they're gonna do a secret set, it'll be opening the Other stage, but even that's doubtful as they're miles bigger than both Beady Eye and Kaiser Chiefs

I consider the libertines to be on same level as The 1975 :ninja:

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I don't see the Libs as cashing in. More, as was said above, doing the things they didn't get to do first time round. I would love them to play Glastonbury, but I don't thing they will.

Someone (who was spot on re their live dates last year) posted on another forum suggesting that they are doing TITP, R&L (Leeds on the Friday), A Perfect Day/Alpha Romeo City Sound, Rock en Seine, Low Festival and Ibiza Rocks. No mention of Glastonbury so I am not holding my breath.

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Are they still more famous for the singer taking drugs than they are for their music?

Are you not a Happy Mondays fan?

I've got some news for you...

What i'm thinking now too tbh, I can't think of Melvin ever letting another english festival share a headliner with R&L

Pulp? (Though a co headliner and subing at other festivals, well not in the North :P).

I consider the libertines to be on same level as The 1975 :ninja:

You might well do, but you know it to be true their massively more popular than that.

I'd go with "Special Guests" sub or something if they play Glastonbury or something like Reading has an English exclusive on a full set and they will only do 40 minutes at Glastonbury :P

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Why would Reading be so concerned if The Libertines were to play Glastonbury as well? It's not like they will be the major coup of the summer, they're already playing T in The Park and european festivals. I wouldn't have thought an already sold out Glastonbury would effect Reading's ticket sales if The Libertines played both. I'm sure there have been plenty of instances in the past before, but just of the top of my head you can pull Pulp and The Strokes straight out of the air of bands who headlined Reading but played other UK festivals as well in 2011. So whats the difference with The Libertines?

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They can get way more money from R&L on an exclusive, so I reckon they'll do that and play a secret set somewhere at Glastonbury. More exposure = more ticket sales for T and Reading which might not sell out til the last minute based on Hyde Park last year.

Normally I'd say that's all about spot on.

But as a band, the Libs are in a bit of a funny place. They're a band who everyone recognises didn't get to fulfil their potential back in the day, tho have recently managed to prove themselves both reliable and big ticket sellers.

And yet because of their history, it would be a brave man who'd put a bet on them having too much of a future, or even if their new-found success will last beyond a novelty value - so it would take a pretty mean-spirited promoter to get too tough with them if they wanted to do all of the things they didn't get to do first time around.

There's all sorts of weird and wonderful angles I can see being used around the Libs, including people presented them - with a straight face - as 'legends'.

I'd say they're a band in a place where no other band has been for the 15 years I've been sat here, or for the 20 years before that as far as I'm aware.

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Normally I'd say that's all about spot on.

But as a band, the Libs are in a bit of a funny place. They're a band who everyone recognises didn't get to fulfil their potential back in the day, tho have recently managed to prove themselves both reliable and big ticket sellers.

And yet because of their history, it would be a brave man who'd put a bet on them having too much of a future, or even if their new-found success will last beyond a novelty value - so it would take a pretty mean-spirited promoter to get too tough with them if they wanted to do all of the things they didn't get to do first time around.

There's all sorts of weird and wonderful angles I can see being used around the Libs, including people presented them - with a straight face - as 'legends'.

I'd say they're a band in a place where no other band has been for the 15 years I've been sat here, or for the 20 years before that as far as I'm aware.

Plus they seem to really like and get the festival, so I'd imagine they'd want to play if the opportunity is there

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Normally I'd say that's all about spot on.

But as a band, the Libs are in a bit of a funny place. They're a band who everyone recognises didn't get to fulfil their potential back in the day, tho have recently managed to prove themselves both reliable and big ticket sellers.

And yet because of their history, it would be a brave man who'd put a bet on them having too much of a future, or even if their new-found success will last beyond a novelty value - so it would take a pretty mean-spirited promoter to get too tough with them if they wanted to do all of the things they didn't get to do first time around.

There's all sorts of weird and wonderful angles I can see being used around the Libs, including people presented them - with a straight face - as 'legends'.

I'd say they're a band in a place where no other band has been for the 15 years I've been sat here, or for the 20 years before that as far as I'm aware.

Fair points there, but could you not argue that the Stone Roses' reunion shows were a little bit similar to that? Granted I wasn't even around at the Stone Roses' peak, but the Libs were always a bit of an 'underground' prospect despite having some chart success at the end, did lots of tents at festivals and academies at their peak for example. Likewise, the shows the Stone Roses played (and consequently sold out) in 2012/13 were much bigger than the shows they did the first time. Their objective was to make the money they didn't make before they split up really.

Depends how Barat, Doherty et al. see it I guess, those 'things they didn't do the first time around' may include not cashing in on big, exclusive festival contracts.

They certainly suit the Friday night headline slot at Glastonbury, with Foos and someone else (at the moment probably Swift) headlining Saturday and Sunday. Would be an underwhelming set, but plausible certainly.

EDIT: As efcfan says above, Barat is a fan of the festival too so that might be a factor.

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Fair points there, but could you not argue that the Stone Roses' reunion shows were a little bit similar to that? Granted I wasn't even around at the Stone Roses' peak, but the Libs were always a bit of an 'underground' prospect despite having some chart success at the end, did lots of tents at festivals and academies at their peak for example. Likewise, the shows the Stone Roses played (and consequently sold out) in 2012/13 were much bigger than the shows they did the first time. Their objective was to make the money they didn't make before they split up really.

I know what you're getting at, but somehow their situation doesn't quite evoke the same "let them do what they want" idea in me - and just to be clear, I'm no fan of the libs, and I quite like the roses.

I guess the difference is that the roses actually got to enjoy their peak back at their first time, while the libs had become a hollow Pete-less shell at the point they should have been riding it.

... big, exclusive festival contracts.

Ultimately, they only suit acts who want the most money for the least work.

They might sometimes suit acts who want to limit their exposure, so that act has a long life. This factor won't be on the libs mind.

They don't suit a band who want to get on a stage in front of audiences.

And they quite possibly don't suit a band who wants to collect the most cash they can, because you can pick up more cash overall with more shows.

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Yeah, i think the Carl Barat giving something back to Glastonbury, after Glastonbury giving him a chance to help at the leftfield may have some substance, may be possibly decisive! Arguably, he doesn't owe anything, and that's fine too, but what better way to whet the appetite of possible punters for T in the Park or R+L than an explosive set at Glastonbury?

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