What women (don't) want.

[russycarps]

You have a choice

 

 

 

My mortgage and other expenses says otherwise.

[bunique]

Oi, my charity shop kid looks freaking awesome russy!

[russycarps]

Oi, my charity shop kid looks freaking awesome russy!

 

 

I dont doubt it for a second!

 

but I suspect they wont agree when they hit the terrible teenage years!

[eFestivals]

what choice do they have?

 

you have the choice of outlining what you really mean, instead of expecting them to read your contradictory mind.

[bunique]

I dont doubt it for a second!

but I suspect they wont agree when they hit the terrible teenage years!

I'll just start calling it "Vintage"!

[eFestivals]

I said what choice do THEY have. You said they have one.

 

they have the choice that you as setter of their clothing rules gives them.

 

Currently your position is where you're saying there are no rules while you do have rules. That's the least possible respect to give them from all possible positions.

[eFestivals]

you're losing it Neil

 

I'm for not having uniforms

 

Again, when there is a uniform policy, what choice do kids have?

 

But you're also FOR dress codes, unless you're for nakedness?

 

So why do you think those kids can work out what you really mean when you won't actually say what you mean?

[russycarps]

I'm not FOR any dress codes

 

making shit up again

 

what a pointless discussion

 

 

so you're happy for kids to turn up to school in bikinis, or stark bollock naked.

 

I see.

[eFestivals]

I'm not FOR any dress codes

 

making shit up again

 

what a pointless discussion

so you'd be happy with school kids being naked at school?

[eFestivals]

no.

in which case you're in favour of dress codes.

All you need to now is outline where the limits of your dress codes are, so you're not relying on the telepathy of those kids to understand your set of rules.

[eFestivals]

as I said, my kids (and my sisters kids) went to schools without a uniform policy, and no-one turned up naked. Where I work we have no dress code. People aren't as weird or difficult as you imagine.

If there's a no-nakedness rule, there's a dress code. Why do you find that literal fact so difficult to understand?

 

And while no one might have pushed the limits at your places, that doesn't mean no one will.

 

As you're specifying a rule, why will you not define that rule and it's limits? Do you think all people have identical thoughts to you?

 

(I'm exceedingly pleased to say most don't. Most have coherent thoughts, thank god).

[eFestivals]

as I said, my kids (and my sisters kids) went to schools without a uniform policy, and no-one turned up naked. Where I work we have no dress code. People aren't as weird or difficult as you imagine.

 

PS: how do you know no one turned up naked? Are you thinking the school would announce it to all parents if someone had?

 

Are you under the impression that no one has ever turned up "inappropriately dressed" at those places and asked to adjust their attire?

 

I think you're living in the fantasy of your own lack of thought.

[russycarps]

as I said, my kids (and my sisters kids) went to schools without a uniform policy, and no-one turned up naked. Where I work we have no dress code. People aren't as weird or difficult as you imagine.

 

There was one secretary who used to come to work with ever increasing amounts of flesh being exposed. Her manager had a word with her. A dress code didn't need to be introduced

 

 

so there is a dress code then, no outfits that show too much flesh. Right-o.

[russycarps]

no... it's called common sense. Which bit of 'there is no dress code' don't you understand?

 

 

The bit where the boss told her to go home and get changed because she wasnt conforming to the dress code.

[eFestivals]

People need to be told to not turn up at work naked, to understand that it's inappropriate?

But what is "naked" tony?

A naked ankle? A naked shoulder? Too much breast showing? A nipple? What? Are speedos appropriate for men and bikinis for women? What??

Are you really so dumb as to not understand that you are laying out a rule but refusing to define it?

[eFestivals]

well, I was a parent governor, and that sort of thing usually gets mentioned.

 

People DO turn up inappropriately dressed from time to time. That happens more when a strict dress code (especially at schools). Knee jerk reactions, a new set of rules being put in place, is the last resort of the unimaginative

so you say there's no rules and then admit that there are.

Do you ever wonder why I so often point out that you talk nonsense?

[russycarps]

>no dress code

 

>woman told to wear different clothes because she's breaking the dress code.

 

You couldnt make it up.

[eFestivals]

What are you getting at?

 

apart from some more dumb one-upmanship

I'm pointing out that you're talking your usual nonsense, by saying there's no dress code when "no nakedness" is a dress code.

And i9n order to understand exactly what your dress code is, you also need to fully define what "no nakedness" actually means.

[eFestivals]

I'm saying most people have an idea of what is or isn't inappropriate, without needing a set of rules defining that.

 

I often wonder why you say the things you say

but some don't, and those people break the rules that you claim don't exist.

[eFestivals]

yes Neil

 

 

 

are you really so stupid as to think you're not talking nonsense?

Edited September 14, 2015 by eFestivals

[russycarps]

you just did

 

 

 

so the boss didnt tell the secretary she was wearing inappropriate clothes then?

[eFestivals]

you and Neil do the same childish thing. You chase your tail, running around in circles, with the sole aim of trying to 'win' a discussion.

 

You win! Happy?

It's not about winning, it's about what is rational, intelligent and a true representation of the facts.

But as you've gone this route so clearly approve of it...

LOSER!

[russycarps]

you and Neil do the same childish thing. You chase your tail, running around in circles, with the sole aim of trying to 'win' a discussion.

 

You win! Happy?

 

 

No. It's only half 2, could have done with this dragging on til 4 at least.

[kaosmark2]

Hell Tony, Neil being a prick about it doesn't mean you're not being an idiot.

[kaosmark2]

Feel free. Why am I being an idiot?

If there are restrictions about dress, even just in a "don't turn up near naked", it's effectively a dress code. All you seem to be objecting to is that it's formalised and detailed, when that is actually what makes it clear and easiest to manage/follow.

I don't like strict dress codes and plan to never wear a tie again, but trusting entirely to common sense just makes it harder to treat everyone equally. Why risk the problems of having to speak to someone about an ever increasing display of flesh when you can just formalise it in a paragraph everyone understands?