General Election 2015

[kaosmark2]

They should of gone for his brother...

The war mongering, bank de-regulating Blairite who didn't go for dethroning brown when he could have and instead waited for Labour to be voted out so he could swoop in as a saviour, before not even leafleting the party members out of an arrogance that he'd win?

No thanks. Ed has shaken a lot of flak, remember the "red ed" "commie" tags. Those have gone. He's surviving a media onslaught, which for a labour leader as left as him with a dodgy image is impressive.

[pink_triangle]

I agree with the above and watch QT most weeks... They should of gone for his brother...

I think it's pretty even. While Cameron is the more natural public speaker, he has a tendency to let ed get to him and that's when the public schoolboy bully comes out.

[eFestivals]

the public schoolboy bully comes out.

yep - that's where he loses to Miliband. It's not something that's going to win the undecideds over.

[kaosmark2]

A lot of middle England couldn't care less about it though....

They're not undecided. The only way they won't vote Tory is if they decide to go more racist.

[eFestivals]

A lot of middle England couldn't care less about it though....

they care about voting for something they support, and plenty find Ed's "weirdness" less off-putting and more like real life (you know, like their life) than they like Dave's public schoolboy bully act.

It's of course mixed in with each's policies, so I'm not trying to suggest that alone is the deciding factor - but Ed's "weirdness" isn't the only "what-they-look-like factor" that's in the mix.

[TheGayTent]

very well done TGT for turning this into a pile of shit with your usual mindless tory-idiot trolling. You should be proud.

Do you read your posts?

[TheGayTent]

I think he's great. He just highlights what sort a massive c**t you have to be to vote tory.

The funny thing is, he is so thick he doesnt even realise him and his family are being raped by the torys.

It's pretty obvious he isn't their sort.

Ah look, the lapdog arrives!

[TheGayTent]

That was regarding interest rates and crazy levels of inflation which was par for the course of the previous 20 years... Which never went crazy like they did under the Tories. Labour fulfilled that promise. Not that idiots like you or the media are going to report it correctly.

Rubbish. Brown once referred to the last 40 years. Which included Wilson and Callaghan Labour governments.

[eFestivals]

I don't think for a second most of middle England look at Ed and think he is anything like them. I think they feel as unrepresented by him as they do by Cameron, probably more unrepresented.

yeah, everyone has much more in common with the millionaire's kid who's closely related to Royalty and who went to Eton and has never been interviewed for a job in his life and instead had everything handed to him on a plate (including his very first job, acquired via a phone call from Buck House), than they do someone who went to the local comp and who came from a normalish background.

How does the majority of middle England related to someone who went straight from College / Uni into Politics ?

Which of the three major party leaders are you referring to, exactly?

All of Clegg, Cameron and Miliband have never had a proper job.

But only two of them have had their powerful daddies arrange their jobs and career for them. Care to guess which two that was?

Edited February 25, 2015 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Do you read your posts?

Yep. And on this occasion it was 100% you, and 0% me.

Do you have anything relevant to this thread to say, or do you only fart tory-style moronic irrelevances?

[windy_miller]

I'm amazed that Neil thinks EM "has" camoron at QT every week?

I listen to QT most weeks, in full. And IMHO camoron buries him most weeks.

Milliband is the worst thing to happen to the labour party for generations. Most people I speak to think he is creepy, weird and totally out of his depth. and tbh, I have never gotten over this.

in fact I cant even bring myself to watch it now as I link it.

The man is a disaster, and labour dont stand a hope while he is in charge. The tories are going to romp the election imho.

I've never seen that before. Quite possibly one of the strangest interviews I've ever seen.

[LJS]

interesting snippet from a poll in today's Daily Mail which seems to contradict the commonly held view that any post election deal between Labour & the SNP would be impossible due to its massive unpopularity with English voters.

ComRes found more than half of Britons – 57 per cent – concede that the SNP should be able to join a UK-wide coalition in the event of a hung parliament. But 55 per cent say it should be not be allowed to make decisions on laws that do not have an impact on Scotland.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2966005/Tories-edging-ahead-Ed-holds-Labour-Conservatives-two-point-lead-poll-reveals-60-voters-don-t-believe-Miliband-make-good-PM.html

I went and checked the tables & there is a majority in favour in every region of England. and for England & Wales the % in favour is exactly the same as in Scotland - 57%. Perhaps curiously (or perhaps not) there is higher opposition in Scotland (41%) as against 37% for England & Wales. The North of England is in favour by 60-34%.

These figures certainly surprised me.

[kaosmark2]

Latest gaffe:

Tory MP claims astrology to ease pressure on NHS:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11432344/Astrology-could-solve-crisis-in-the-NHS-says-Tory-MP.html

[LondonTom]

What a fruitcake?! We're all racists apparently to!

""They are also ignorant, because they never study the subject and just say that it is all to do with what appears in the newspapers, which it is not, and they are deeply prejudiced, and racially prejudiced, which is troubling.""

[LJS]

Latest gaffe:

Tory MP claims astrology to ease pressure on NHS:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/nhs/11432344/Astrology-could-solve-crisis-in-the-NHS-says-Tory-MP.html

Don't be too hasty to judge him. He says "I do believe that astrology and complementary medicine would help take the huge pressure off doctors" Surely true because patients' stays in hospitals will be massively shortened by their premature deaths at the hands of faith healers hence freeing up beds & giving consultants more time to play golf.

[eFestivals]

I'm amazed that Neil thinks EM "has" camoron at QT every week?

I listen to QT most weeks, in full. And IMHO camoron buries him most weeks.

I hope you listened yesterday - where even tory voters concede that Miliband had Cameron by the short and curlies.

[LondonTom]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-mps-would-so-drunk-5166334

These are the sort of people we are voting for...

[eFestivals]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-mps-would-so-drunk-5166334

These are the sort of people we are voting for...

apparently, so the top tory's say, if we stopped MPs having second jobs we'd only get idiots in parliament.

I hadn't realised that the top tories weren't allowed 2nd jobs already.

[LJS]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-mps-would-so-drunk-5166334

These are the sort of people we are voting for...

Sounds great, think I'll stand for parliament

[pink_triangle]

I do find it funny that a lot of people who criticise ed for being weird or lacking charisma.Also moan about Cameron as being a fake PR guy. I couldn't care less how he eats a bacon sandwich, I think he believes in his principles. Cameron (like Blair) would both wear the opposite rosette if they felt it would get them into the same position.

[kaosmark2]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/top-mps-would-so-drunk-5166334

These are the sort of people we are voting for...

That makes them seem more in touch. I reckon that more people can relate to MPs getting stinking drunk than anything else they're reported to be doing.

[kaosmark2]

Cameron (like Blair) would both wear the opposite rosette if they felt it would get them into the same position.

I change my mind about Cameron. There are times when I think he's got some principles and beliefs, wanting to do the right thing, it's just that his completely alienated background means he has no idea what it is and he takes advice from the twats surrounding him. He's very definitely a fake PR guy, but I don't think he's quite as self-serving as Gideon or Boris.

[eFestivals]

He's very definitely a fake PR guy, but I don't think he's quite as self-serving as Gideon or Boris.

I think he's just as self-serving. I think the difference is that he's not aware that he is. He really does seem to think that he's a normal middle class person who shares the same problems and aspirations as everyone else.

But not everyone else has people in Buckingham Palace phone up other people to tell them to give Dave a job (which they then do), or have a millionaire as a father and a billionaire as a father-in-law, just as a couple of very simple examples. He doesn't even fit his own well-worn line of "hard working families".

[kaosmark2]

I think the difference is that he's not aware that he is. He really does seem to think that he's a normal middle class person who shares the same problems and aspirations as everyone else.

But not everyone else has people in Buckingham Palace phone up other people to tell them to give Dave a job (which they then do), or have a millionaire as a father and a billionaire as a father-in-law, just as a couple of very simple examples. He doesn't even fit his own well-worn line of "hard working families".

That's more what I'm getting at. You've put it better than I had. I think he's oblivious to how privileged he is, and believes that he's actually helping others when he's helping himself, whereas Gideon is fully aware, and is working to secure and enhance that.

[LJS]

meanwhile, some sophisticated election material from the libdems...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2970162/Take-break-like-break-Danny-Alexander-pins-election-chances-toe-curling-garish-pamphlet-including-recipe-sausage-butternut-squash-stew.html