Coachella

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22 minutes ago, Mezhyp1 said:

They probably don't care as it's more popular than ever, but Coachella looks a festival at a really weird junction in terms of it's line up. That Gen Z/traditional crossover makes a pretty confusing and frankly not very good line up

Yeah the traditional act split is getting weaker each year. There's always quality at Coachella but at least to me that quality is being reduced year on year for flavour of the month acts. 

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, Suprefan said:

You dont get paid for the super bowl halftime show btw. You get 15 minutes of free airtime which is valued at about 14 million usd a minute this year. And they pay for production and all that other stuff. Im sure Coachella was willing to give her 10 million and she wouldve likely had a Fenty stall at the fest amongst other things. And maybe even a cut of the Youtube ad revenue stream. Speaking of that its expected the stream is going to maybe crash  on the saturday  cause of Blackpink. K pop acts usually have concerts streamed via pay per view and even then they get loads of traffic. So now a free worldwide one is huge.

 

Supposedly new music is coming.

I would still take Glastonbury any day of the week over Coachella. Admittedly the line up for Coachella isn’t aimed at my demographic but that’s why Glastonbury is the Daddy of festivals it covers all bases. 

[Madyaker]

Presumably there is more to the lineup than what’s on the poster simulator Glasto? But yeah I’ve never been envious of Coachella lineups. Headliners we’re always crap but there’s usually be some good stuff on the undercard, this year I don’t even know most of the names. 

[jannybruck]

20 minutes ago, Mezhyp1 said:

They probably don't care as it's more popular than ever, but Coachella looks a festival at a really weird junction in terms of it's line up. That Gen Z/traditional crossover makes a pretty confusing and frankly not very good line up

This is where a lot of festivals are at at the moment, Primavera's lineup is also trying to straddle multiple different demographics and it makes for extremely jumbled curation. (Primavera incidentally has not sold out, and probably won't). I just think it's probably how most major festivals are going to look in future as stuff like playlisting and tiktok means people are exposed to a vast world of different things and potentially enjoy them all.

It may mean more niche festivals spring up like those US ones that concentrated on just one genre or subculture as people try and dial back that sort of everything-all-at-once music consuming. It'll be an interesting few years on the circuit I think.

6 minutes ago, Gnomicide said:

From what I've seen the Jai Paul inclusion has had one of the biggest reactions. I don't want to be one of those "Never heard of 'em!" people yet here we are.

I've just given him a quick listen and read a bit on Wiki, seems quite the story. How big an act is he in the UK? Where would he be if announced for Glastonbury?

Middle of John Peel maybe, no hits to grab a huge mainstream crowd but there's a large curiosity factor amongst a lot of people.

[Suprefan]

10 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

I would still take Glastonbury any day of the week over Coachella. Admittedly the line up for Coachella isn’t aimed at my demographic but that’s why Glastonbury is the Daddy of festivals it covers all bases. 

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s. at the top of the lineup. And this is the whole crux of the "i dont know who any of these artists are"  argument when theyre clearly  booking acts from all around the globe and showcasing them. Glasto is being that diverse with its headliners? Its GnR, Elton and Arctic Monkeys. What bases does that cover in the global music scene? But I mean if youre just talking about covering your own bases of safe and sound then there ya go. People dont like so much change and will ignore everything going on around them and just hope it goes away. Dont think thats happening here.

Edited January 11, 2023 by Suprefan

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2 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s. at the top of the lineup. And this is the whole crux of the "i dont know who any of these artists are"  argument when theyre clearly  booking acts from all around the globe and showcasing them. Glasto is being that diverse with its headliners? Its GnR, Elton and Arctic Monkeys. What bases does that cover in the global music scene? But I mean if youre just talking about covering your own bases of safe and sound then there ya go. People dont like so much change and will ignore everything going on around them and just hope it goes away. Dont think thats happening here.

Maybe you have a point on the Headliners this year but they're not always that diverse at Coachella. I would also argue Glastonbury has a much broader and rich undercard year after year than coachella does. But that's ok in a sense, Coachella know their target audience, which i think is more narrow than Glastonbury.

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, Suprefan said:

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s. at the top of the lineup. And this is the whole crux of the "i dont know who any of these artists are"  argument when theyre clearly  booking acts from all around the globe and showcasing them. Glasto is being that diverse with its headliners? Its GnR, Elton and Arctic Monkeys. What bases does that cover in the global music scene? 

But Glastonbury has 100 stages. I usually end up with 5 way clashes. I don’t care about the big names as much. I average 1 Pyramid headliner a year and I have had a year when I saw 3 and a year when I saw 2 which means I have had incredible festivals without watching a headliner. Unlike many people I have listened to Bad Bunny before judging and my judgement having listened is that I would be nowhere near him. Blackpink are slightly better but I still wouldn’t be that interested in seeing them.
 

I think Rosalia and Boygenius would be my only must sees out of the entire line up. I suspect when Glastonbury full line up drops I will have more than 2 must sees. 

[PGTIps]

3 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s. at the top of the lineup. And this is the whole crux of the "i dont know who any of these artists are"  argument when theyre clearly  booking acts from all around the globe and showcasing them. Glasto is being that diverse with its headliners? Its GnR, Elton and Arctic Monkeys. What bases does that cover in the global music scene? But I mean if youre just talking about covering your own bases of safe and sound then there ya go. People dont like so much change and will ignore everything going on around them and just hope it goes away. Dont think thats happening here.

I've been to Coachella in 2016 and really enjoyed it, saw some acts admittedly I've never had the chance to in the UK such as Ice Cube bringing back together NWA - however headliner at the time was Guns N Roses who you are saying is a safe booking for Glasto? and yes at Coachella I got to see acts like Last Shadow Puppets and Wolf Alice at tiny stages with small crowds compared to here in the UK

But on the flipside - Glasto gets those big american acts in much lower placements here such as LCD Soundsystem, Halsey and lets not forget Glastonbury has a dedicated dance area after hours that features world renowed acts such as Calvin Harris and Chemical Brothers that you can enjoy alongside the main Pyramid bill rather than instead of it.

I've been to both and surely if you have to, you have to admit they are nothing like each other - they're festivals but have completely different audiences, demographics etc.

Glastonbury is incomparable, Coachella is more aligned with a glitzy version of Reading especially with its similar layout.

Also a lot of people on this forum me included have praised Coachella for having 2 international headliners.

[gigpusher]

4 minutes ago, scatteredscreens said:

Maybe you have a point on the Headliners this year but they're not always that diverse at Coachella. I would also argue Glastonbury has a much broader and rich undercard year after year than coachella does. But that's ok in a sense, Coachella know their target audience, which i think is more narrow than Glastonbury.

Exactly my point. If you are 20-30 Coachella line up is probably great for you. At 45 it’s not for me and it’s not because I don’t listen to new music as I almost exclusively do listen to new music I just listen to what I like rather than being concerned with how big they are. There are a few unfamiliar names to me so maybe if I was going I would uncover some gems but of the names I do know regardless of how many people stream them I personally am not too enthused by them. 

[stuie]

30 minutes ago, gigpusher said:

I would still take Glastonbury any day of the week over Coachella. Admittedly the line up for Coachella isn’t aimed at my demographic but that’s why Glastonbury is the Daddy of festivals it covers all bases. 

Someone tell me if I’m wrong but as I’ve understood it over the years there’s two main stages and some tents, so it’s more like Reading? Is that right? 

Are there any smaller venues/intimate experiences/theatre or anything that makes it more like glasto?

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1 minute ago, stuie said:

Someone tell me if I’m wrong but as I’ve understood it over the years there’s two main stages and some tents, so it’s more like Reading? Is that right? 

Are there any smaller venues/intimate experiences/theatre or anything that makes it more like glasto?

Yeah two main stages and a line of tents of various sizes. There's a few installations and smaller boutique areas that reminded me of Glasto, they also have a dedicated dance area similar to the Glade or perhaps Silver Hayes but in terms of scale its definitely set up like Reading with a lineup that feels more in line with Glasto but much smaller.  

[gigpusher]

1 minute ago, stuie said:

Someone tell me if I’m wrong but as I’ve understood it over the years there’s two main stages and some tents, so it’s more like Reading? Is that right? 

Are there any smaller venues/intimate experiences/theatre or anything that makes it more like glasto?

Exactly. It may be a great festival for it's demographic, it may be sunnier, it may get bigger names (sometimes), Occasionally it might have better headliners but it just doesn't have the strength and depth of a festival like Glastonbury. 

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1 hour ago, Suprefan said:

One of the best reactions from the lineup drop. Was cracking up at that.

Glastonburydeeznuts ... are you 12 😂

Should be glastondeeznuts anyway surely?

Lineup is very good I think (bar headliners who i just couldn't give less of a shit about)

1 hour ago, Gnomicide said:

From what I've seen the Jai Paul inclusion has had one of the biggest reactions. I don't want to be one of those "Never heard of 'em!" people yet here we are.

I've just given him a quick listen and read a bit on Wiki, seems quite the story. How big an act is he in the UK? Where would he be if announced for Glastonbury?

 

1 hour ago, jannybruck said:

Middle of John Peel maybe, no hits to grab a huge mainstream crowd but there's a large curiosity factor amongst a lot of people.

I think WH minimum, glasto is full of music industry types who will want to have a look. just look how big that coachella slot is. maybe like 6pm kind of time WH.

1 hour ago, Suprefan said:

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s. at the top of the lineup.

Not for people in the UK, especially not those not seeking out new music - Bad Bunny and BLACKPINK are brand new and get 0 airplay over here.

Its a US lineup anyway so the debate is silly, its strong just few people on here give a shit about the headliners

[dreams_burn_down]

3 hours ago, theesundayroast said:

On there hardcore front, there's also Scowl and Soul Glo who are both making massive strides at the moment 

Yeah, I'm desperate to see Soul Glo, wasn't able to make their show the other month. Both bands are in the UK over Glastonbury week for Outbreak, so might be possible?

[p.pete]

2 hours ago, Madyaker said:

Presumably there is more to the lineup than what’s on the poster simulator Glasto? But yeah I’ve never been envious of Coachella lineups. Headliners we’re always crap but there’s usually be some good stuff on the undercard, this year I don’t even know most of the names. 

I think an earlier response to something similar was that there's just the 8/9 stages 'but' they're all close together so you get to see more acts with your time 'and' some amount of djs in the camping fields.  Personally not what I'd want.  I've had a brilliant time at more compact arena festivals with decent lineups, being able to flit about and focus purely on music - I can imagine Coachella is an excellent version of that (if you dig the lineup) - but I love Glastonbury for so many other reasons, plus you can do some top notch stage-to-stage flitting also.

Personally I like passing markets, bars and tons of food stalls when I'm stomping between stages, choosing different routes depending on mud and time of day only adds to the variety.

[CaledonianGonzo]

3 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

I've just given him a quick listen and read a bit on Wiki, seems quite the story. How big an act is he in the UK? Where would he be if announced for Glastonbury?

Upper reaches of West Holts or the JPT.

[CaledonianGonzo]

2 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s. at the top of the lineup. And this is the whole crux of the "i dont know who any of these artists are"  argument when theyre clearly  booking acts from all around the globe and showcasing them. Glasto is being that diverse with its headliners? Its GnR, Elton and Arctic Monkeys. What bases does that cover in the global music scene? But I mean if youre just talking about covering your own bases of safe and sound then there ya go. People dont like so much change and will ignore everything going on around them and just hope it goes away. Dont think thats happening here.

Above all they have to cater to the people that have bought tickets.

[p.pete]

3 hours ago, Gnomicide said:

From what I've seen the Jai Paul inclusion has had one of the biggest reactions. I don't want to be one of those "Never heard of 'em!" people yet here we are.

What's wrong with being a "Never heard of 'em!" person?  I've not heard of massive chunks of most lineups.  For me there's a positive in the opportunity to learn new stuff as I explore the lineup but also a negative of presumably missing out on some gems that I've not managed to unearthed.  Is your issue with the exclamation mark, implying if I've not heard of them then what the hell are they existing for / how dare the lineup not be lots of stuff I'm familiar and comfortable with?

[Gnomicide]

4 minutes ago, p.pete said:

What's wrong with being a "Never heard of 'em!" person?  I've not heard of massive chunks of most lineups.  For me there's a positive in the opportunity to learn new stuff as I explore the lineup but also a negative of presumably missing out on some gems that I've not managed to unearthed.  Is your issue with the exclamation mark, implying if I've not heard of them then what the hell are they existing for / how dare the lineup not be lots of stuff I'm familiar and comfortable with?

That last sentence is the bit that bugs me, loads of people just respond to stuff with "Never heard of them!" like it's the festivals fault and as a result they have no right to be headlining. If an act is big enough to be headlining a major festival then they are obviously hugely popular and if it's a festival you are interested in and like the stuff they put on, then that's on you.

Not you personally, obvs.  

Listening to acts I've not previously heard of that are on lineups for festivals I'm going to has helped me discover some of my favourite acts, it's all part of the joy 

[moogster]

Well bunch of artists I never heard of, which doesn't matter because I can't have heard about everyone and the music world is quite large, artists I have heard from but never listened too: I actually gave today a few more streams to Bad Bunny, which sounded OK except for the autotune and has an interesting Wiki page. And enough artists I would go and see and fill my day with because I am an old stuck-in-the-90s person. So seems like a good line up.

And I confess I had a cheer reading that Bjork had a festival show in the pipeline. Best of or not, her shows are just magic.

[topmarksbri]

6 hours ago, Suprefan said:

Coachella literally covered all the bases with a latino act, a korean act and one from the u.s

Ah yes the only three bases, Korea, Latino and USA.

[philipsteak]

7 hours ago, Suprefan said:

You dont get paid for the super bowl halftime show btw. You get 15 minutes of free airtime which is valued at about 14 million usd a minute this year. And they pay for production and all that other stuff. Im sure Coachella was willing to give her 10 million and she wouldve likely had a Fenty stall at the fest amongst other things. And maybe even a cut of the Youtube ad revenue stream. Speaking of that its expected the stream is going to maybe crash  on the saturday  cause of Blackpink. K pop acts usually have concerts streamed via pay per view and even then they get loads of traffic. So now a free worldwide one is huge.

 

Supposedly new music is coming.

 

 

One of the best reactions from the lineup drop. Was cracking up at that.

Coachella's not got a comedy tent then I take it? 

[philipsteak]

27 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

Ah yes the only three bases, Korea, Latino and USA.

Also the three main food groups

[stanh]

7 hours ago, Madyaker said:

I wonder who will replace Frank Ocean when he pulls out?

Calvin Harris X Rihanna

[clasher]

1 hour ago, topmarksbri said:

Ah yes the only three bases, Korea, Latino and USA.

Noticeably missing is Barbados.