Cashless? I'm stunned at the apathy.

[t8yman]

I refuse to have ANY "loyalty" cards. Fuck them and their data mining.

[5co77ie]

personally I too wouldn't go to a cashless event - it's not because I'm worried about my personal data, thouh I have no loyalty cards and no credit cards, and no bank account but a joint one the Mrs forced on me. There are examples of them suing RFID to bust dealers as they show up as being 'nodes' of interaction - whether it's dugs, booze, fake merchandise, buskers - makes no difference if you attract a crowd you're undesirable - even that isn't why I'm against it.

I'm against it because it's about commercialisation - it's about what makes a profit - if it makes a lot of profit LN will copy it do it themselves, if it doesn't they'll get shot of it. There's some aspects of festivals, well actually most of the bits I love that aren't commercial successes - those bits will be gone, as they don't make the money.

What you're left with is a shopping mall festival of homogeneous stalls that make a profit - the ones where margins are thin or non-existent are squeezed out.

Festivals aren't about what makes a buck, there's more substance to them than that, there's parts of them that have no monetary value - that's the difference between a real festival and one out to squeeze as much money out their customers as possible.

For that reason I'm out

Edited June 4, 2015 by 5co77ie

[rivalschools.price]

The interesting thing about this thread is that the people who are against the cashless system had no intention of going to the festival anyway and the people who are easy about it are the ones who are actually going.

Seems like everyone's happy.

~cue someone saying that they were just about to buy a ticket but found out it was cashless and decided not to go as a protest~

[t8yman]

You obviously haven't read the thread? I'm going, and am totally against it, and am going to make my feelings quite clear every time I have to use it, I've got mates who won't give a fuck about it, and will take the piss if I say I'm not going because of it.

But I will be using it completely anonymously.

But the sheep attitudes on here have made me very, very disappointed in the download audiences attitude to this.

I'm sure if Corey Taylor got up on the main stage and ranted about it for 5 minutes, he would have 50,000 people agreeing with the stance, obviously the metal crowd are more compliant to corporate control than I realised.

And bravo to Scottie because his post actually nailed what festivals are all about, aside from the business side of the scene.

[devilman]

personally I too wouldn't go to a cashless event - it's not because I'm worried about my personal data, thouh I have no loyalty cards and no credit cards, and no bank account but a joint one the Mrs forced on me. There are examples of them suing RFID to bust dealers as they show up as being 'nodes' of interaction - whether it's dugs, booze, fake merchandise, buskers - makes no difference if you attract a crowd you're undesirable - even that isn't why I'm against it.

I'm against it because it's about commercialisation - it's about what makes a profit - if it makes a lot of profit LN will copy it do it themselves, if it doesn't they'll get shot of it. There's some aspects of festivals, well actually most of the bits I love that aren't commercial successes - those bits will be gone, as they don't make the money.

What you're left with is a shopping mall festival of homogeneous stalls that make a profit - the ones where margins are thin or non-existent are squeezed out.

Festivals aren't about what makes a buck, there's more substance to them than that, there's parts of them that have no monetary value - that's the difference between a real festival and one out to squeeze as much money out their customers as possible.

For that reason I'm out

This ship sailed a long time ago. Glasto is probably the only major festival with aspects left that aren't out and out commercialism. The rest are just money making stripped down juggernauts, Download included.

You wouldn't be attending it whether this system was in place or not.

You obviously haven't read the thread? I'm going, and am totally against it,

Your mouth is full of hate and principle, your actions are of acceptance. If you truly believe what you say you wouldn't be anywhere near it. It's not like you have bought your ticket already. Your stance puzzles me.

[rivalschools.price]

Whilst it is a pain in the arse, I genuinely can't see why this would be a dealbreaker to whether someone goes or not. I suppose its easy to say that you wouldn't go to a festival that you had no intention of going to anyway, the interesting part would be if Glastonbury adopted it.

I've spent the last couple of months looking forward to this weekend, Ive got a big black circle marked on my works calendar for June 12 and have got 31 bands lined up who I want to see. There's 6 of us going, got my money saved and I've got the time off work ready.

I just cant imagine ringing my mates up and telling them that I'm not coming after all because my beer tokens will be on a wristband rather than in my pocket.

Edited June 4, 2015 by rivalschools.price

[t8yman]

@devilman

My stance comes from the fact that about 7 of us are going, offsite camping is booked, and I only found out about this 2 days ago. And we are in and out in 1 day (saturday - arena only)

If the chip was registered to my name. I definitely wouldn't go, but the fact that the way I'm doing it is going to be absolutely anonymous, I can live with it for the one day. My use will definitely be no more intrusive than actually buying beer tokens.

Next year is an absolute no. Even if Jimi Hendrix and Led Zeppelin headlines.

Edited June 5, 2015 by t8yman

[eFestivals]

The interesting thing about this thread is that the people who are against the cashless system had no intention of going to the festival anyway and the people who are easy about it are the ones who are actually going.

Seems like everyone's happy.

Some people want to see their favourite bands and can't put their excitement down to engage their brains, while others see the bigger picture.

What did you miss? :lol

[eFestivals]

This ship sailed a long time ago.

and people like you are the ones who hoisted the sails.

Perhaps festivals might be better if you stopped? There's a reason why the large festies are starting to fail, and Download is no more immune than others. In fact it's the most vulnerable of all.

Edited June 5, 2015 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

Whilst it is a pain in the arse, I genuinely can't see why this would be a dealbreaker to whether someone goes or not. I suppose its easy to say that you wouldn't go to a festival that you had no intention of going to anyway, the interesting part would be if Glastonbury adopted it.

But Glastonbury is *REALLY* listening to it's customers (rather than the bullshit that's been talked about Download in this thread) so i reckon it's unlikely. Eavis has expressed his admiration for what the technology is able to do for a festival, while also recognising that it would be unacceptable to his customers.

All the same i can see them doing something like this at some point - ytho perhaps not as compulsory. If they do (compulsory), then I'm definitely done - and so is this website at the same time.

[rivalschools.price]

I understand that some feel strongly about this and I respect that but the simple fact is that it doesn't bother me that much,certainly not enough not to go.I can't change the fact that I'm not bothered, I would rather not do it to be honest but I only see it as a mild irritant so can't get myself all militant about it.

Don't forget the outrage when Glastonbury first insisted on people registering and providing photo ID.I'm sure many of the 'if they insist on photo ID I'm never going to Glastonbury ever again' brigade stuck to their word but I'd wager that it want a huge number.

Edited June 5, 2015 by rivalschools.price

[eFestivals]

I can't change the fact that I'm not bothered

PMSL

You can (not that I expect you to).

That's merely a cop-out for your own decision to not care about what this technology means to all of our futures. As long as you're all right that's good enough.

And people wonder why this country is fucked.

[eFestivals]

Don't forget the outrage when Glastonbury first insisted on people registering and providing photo ID.I'm sure many of the 'if they insist on photo ID I'm never going to Glastonbury ever again' brigade stuck to their word but I'd wager that it want a huge number.

Yep, that was a dilemma for many of us, but I suspect most people went the same way as I did over it - that it was something being done for the customer's benefit (to stop touting) and not the festival's benefit.

Spot the difference?

[t8yman]

[devilman]

and people like you are the ones who hoisted the sails.

Perhaps festivals might be better if you stopped? There's a reason why the large festies are starting to fail, and Download is no more immune than others. In fact it's the most vulnerable of all.

You're going to have to explain that one to me. Attending festivals has made them commercial and because they make money they will die? And that's my fault?

[eFestivals]

You're going to have to explain that one to me. Attending festivals has made them commercial and because they make money they will die? And that's my fault?

You basically said that the mainstreaming of festivals is the way of the world and you're happy to go along with it. I've pointed out that the mainstreaming of festivals is how-come they're starting to fail.

It's the fault of all people who are happy to support that mainstreaming, as you're doing here. Unthinking festivals for unthinking people. There's no future in it as the market is starting to prove.

[eFestivals]

hey devilman, i'm rather amused that you're happy for festivals to go the way you were so strongly against once upon a time not very long ago.

What happened to change your mind?

[devilman]

PMSL

You can (not that I expect you to).

That's merely a cop-out for your own decision to not care about what this technology means to all of our futures. As long as you're all right that's good enough.

And people wonder why this country is fucked.

Completely unfounded and out of proportion. There are way more things to be worried about and don't forget that some people actually do see this as a benefit. Whilst you are here though, can you do something about all the campervan threads. I know there's not that many but it's what they signify. If we tolerate them now then the future is one where this site will be an online shopping site. All genuine campervan ticket buyers will be unable to buy one as touts will have bought them to sell here. Festivals will fail and there will be riots, famine and possibly a nuclear holocaust etc etc etc

[devilman]

You basically said that the mainstreaming of festivals is the way of the world and you're happy to go along with it. I've pointed out that the mainstreaming of festivals is how-come they're starting to fail.

It's the fault of all people who are happy to support that mainstreaming, as you're doing here. Unthinking festivals for unthinking people. There's no future in it as the market is starting to prove.

I have said nothing of the sort.

[lightning1000]

Brilliant haha

[eFestivals]

Completely unfounded and out of proportion. There are way more things to be worried about

I don't disagree that there's always more important things - tho if that's a whole attitude to life then fuck all gets done. And so it's your own comment here which is one out of proportion.

and don't forget that some people actually do see this as a benefit.

what you mean is that they've sucked up the idea of there being a benefit they've been told that's what they should be thinking.

Whilst you are here though, can you do something about all the campervan threads. I know there's not that many but it's what they signify. If we tolerate them now then the future is one where this site will be an online shopping site. All genuine campervan ticket buyers will be unable to buy one as touts will have bought them to sell here. Festivals will fail and there will be riots, famine and possibly a nuclear holocaust etc etc etc

Fuck me, if that classes as your attempt at logical comparison you've got big problems.

[eFestivals]

I have said nothing of the sort.

you've started to love T in the Park again...?

[rivalschools.price]

PMSL

You can (not that I expect you to).

That's merely a cop-out for your own decision to not care about what this technology means to all of our futures. As long as you're all right that's good enough.

And people wonder why this country is fucked.

I disagree, I can't change the fact that it doesn't bother me enough not to go.

I suppose I could pretend that it bothers me,or I could try to make it bother me, but as it stands it doesn't bother me.

To be honest, I found queueing up to buy tokens then queueing up seperately to get your beer more of a pain in the arse than the 2 mins it took me to load up my wristband last night.

[t8yman]

I disagree, I can't change the fact that it doesn't bother me enough not to go.

I suppose I could pretend that it bothers me,or I could try to make it bother me, but as it stands it doesn't bother me.

To be honest, I found queueing up to buy tokens then queueing up seperately to get your beer more of a pain in the arse than the 2 mins it took me to load up my wristband last night.

Lets just bring this up again, because no-one addressed it earlier. Lets say they introduce GPS tracking with it next year, they then notice that the people who spend all day on the barrier spend nothing whatsoever at the bar (obviously). so some bright spark at a meeting says - how do we stop this? and they come up with the idea of having a "gold circle". The gold circle is open to VIP campers, and those with the 25% highest spend per hour from the previous year (because those people hold the most value for LN) and the people who really love the bands cant get anywhere near the barrier.

none of that is beyond the realms of possibility with this system

would you care then?

[eFestivals]

I disagree, I can't change the fact that it doesn't bother me enough not to go.

if you're not in control of your own mind, would you care to tell me who is...?