Football 2015/16

[TheGayTent]

20 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Out of interest how do transfers work at city, does the manager have total control?

No. That's what Begiristein and Soriano are for. 

And I make mrtourette spot on. I couldn't give a toss who is the better manager nor am I really in a position to judge, I don't watch city week in week out. 

All I've said is my limited experience through the friends I have that do watch city week in week out. Perhaps they're blinded by Mancini's terrible record in Europe - a record which is true of other teams he's managed in Europe too. Which suggests tactically he's inept? Something that's being accused of Pellegrini? 

[pink_triangle]

55 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

No. That's what Begiristein and Soriano are for. 

 

My analysis of the situation is Citys problems are as more related to very average work in the transfer market in the last few years, than inept tactical work from the manager.  I think in some situations you look at the players and think the manager isn't getting the most out of them.  However a lot of citys recent purchases, I'm not convinced they were that great to begin with.

[TheGayTent]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

My analysis of the situation is Citys problems are as more related to very average work in the transfer market in the last few years, than inept tactical work from the manager.  I think in some situations you look at the players and think the manager isn't getting the most out of them.  However a lot of citys recent purchases, I'm not convinced they were that great to begin with.

You can't say that about Tony Daley - his stats are excellent ...

[DomDom1984]

Superb stuff from Bayern last night btw. That said, Juventus could have done a much better job at 2-0 up. Instead, they played like it was job done. They pressed more when Bayern scored their equalizer, but by that time, Bayern had the bit between the teeth and all of the momentum and there was only going to be one winner. Disappointing way to basically get yourself knocked out.

[kaosmark2]

1 minute ago, DomDom1984 said:

Superb stuff from Bayern last night btw. That said, Juventus could have done a much better job at 2-0 up. Instead, they played like it was job done. They pressed more when Bayern scored their equalizer, but by that time, Bayern had the bit between the teeth and all of the momentum and there was only going to be one winner. Disappointing way to basically get yourself knocked out.

Agreed. Juventus were great for the rest of the 1st half IMO, but 2nd half they just relaxed a bit too much, particularly around 60 minutes. Their substitutions removed their own threat and dominance, leaving Bayern free to press harder without threat of a counter.

[TheGayTent]

everyone is clearly excited by the England squad announcement 

[mrtourette]

21 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

everyone is clearly excited by the England squad announcement 

Not exactly going to get the blood racing

 

[eastynh]

Lads I will reply to your raised points re Pellegrini tomorrow if that ok? You have made some valid points and I will try to clear them up a little tomorrow. 

In a way I can understand where you's are coming from. You see us near the top end, spending big amounts of cash and winning a few trophies. There seems to be a sense of what is he moaning at? He does not appreciate where they came from, the ungrateful so and so. Yet I watch City week in week out and it has been utterly dreadful for the last 2 years and it should be the manager who bears the brunt of criticism

I am off out to have a few beers in the sun. Should be mad in town today with United playing Liverpool tonight and it being St Pat's day. Have a good afternoon fellas :-)

[mrtourette]

2 minutes ago, eastynh said:

In a way I can understand where you's are coming from. You see us near the top end, spending big amounts of cash and winning a few trophies. There seems to be a sense of what is he moaning at? He does not appreciate where they came from, the ungrateful so and so. 

No I don't think that's where people are coming from at all. You're calling him 'absolutely fucking useless' when he clearly isn't. He might not be good enough to win the league, but he isn't 'absolutely fucking useless'. You've clearly got a personal issue with him, which casts doubts over your assessment of the situation.

Also compare this:

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2013/14: This was his best year but was basically Mancini's team

W = 27, D = 5, L = 6, F = 102, A = 37, Total Point = 86,    Champs league = last 16

 

With Mancini's last season:

W = 23, D = 9, L = 6, F = 66, A = 34, Total Point = 78,    Champs league = group stage

So looks like Pelligrini did a better job with Mancini's team than Mancini did.

[eastynh]

2 minutes ago, mrtourette said:

No I don't think that's where people are coming from at all. You're calling him 'absolutely fucking useless' when he clearly isn't. He might not be good enough to win the league, but he isn't 'absolutely fucking useless'. You've clearly got a personal issue with him, which casts doubts over your assessment of the situation.

Also compare this:

With Mancini's last season:

W = 23, D = 9, L = 6, F = 66, A = 34, Total Point = 78,    Champs league = group stage

So looks like Pelligrini did a better job with Mancini's team than Mancini did.

Have a look at the goals conceded column and home record in Mancini's last season.

I am not saying Mancini was perfect as he had man management issues. Basically he took no shit off pampered multi millionaire football players and they did not like it. As a football man Mancini is leagues ahead of Pellegrini, it is not even close. As for your point re chamos leage, you need to look at the groups both managers landed in as you are not comparing apples with apples.

Pellegrini is a dinosaur. He refusal to even acknowledge the opposition and tactical inflexibility is unreal. He plays one way no matter what and he refuses point blank to change. He continually makes the same mistakes and does not learn. Considering he has a degree in engineering that is a mystifying.

The problem I have with Pelligrini is that he is no great manager. Even in his 1st season the signs were there. He played Negredo and Sergio up from against Munich at home. Munich did not play any recognised striker. We could not get the ball and we're 3-0 down after half an hour. He done nothing about it and we got totally over run. He waited till the 2nd half and then replaced Negredo with Dzeko. Seriously what is the point? You can't get hold of the ball and your strikers have not touched it so you swap strikers. That makes a lot of sense. Performances like this have unfortunately been the norm.The idiot set out exactly the same against Barca 4 times and each time the result was the same. Now most teams get tanked by Barca. The problem was the tactics he employed which just made it even easier than it should have been. It has got to the point where we have routinely been tonked at home this season. To lose by 4 goals at home to Liverpool a d Leicester is bad enough. To sit there idly on the bench and do nothing to try and change the game is criminal.

So to sum up. Do I have a problem with Manuel? No he is a lovely fella. Do I have a problem with him being manager? Damn right I do. The general consensus amongst all blues is pretty much the same. There will be no tears she'd when he leaves in the summer.

[TheGayTent]

Mancini took no shit off players? 

Well yeah, apart from Balotelli who he let do whatever the fuck he liked. Weird. 

[TheGayTent]

Skrtel got sent off last night in an U21 game! 

[eFestivals]

7 minutes ago, TheGayTent said:

Skrtel got sent off last night in an U21 game! 

I reckon Fellaini has had it tonight, I can feel it in my bones.

[eastynh]

1 hour ago, TheGayTent said:

Mancini took no shit off players? 

Well yeah, apart from Balotelli who he let do whatever the fuck he liked. Weird. 

No he never. Granted they had a strange relationship but he never did what he wanted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sergio-aguero-biography-mario-balotelli-and-roberto-mancini-were-like-father-and-sonwho-would-kick-9816788.html

Mancini took no shit off anyone from what I can remember either as a player or manager.

Either way it matters not one bit. My point still stands in regards to City. We are far worse now than we were when Pellegrini took over and he is the major reason why. Even with injuries this squad should have blitzed to the title.

[TheGayTent]

1 hour ago, eastynh said:

No he never. Granted they had a strange relationship but he never did what he wanted.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/sergio-aguero-biography-mario-balotelli-and-roberto-mancini-were-like-father-and-sonwho-would-kick-9816788.html

Mancini took no shit off anyone from what I can remember either as a player or manager.

Weird. You link to an article which demonstrates exactly my point. Balotelli was treated completely different by Mancini to that which he treated everybody else.

Either way it matters not one bit. My point still stands in regards to City. We are far worse now than we were when Pellegrini took over and he is the major reason why. Even with injuries this squad should have blitzed to the title.

No. Your point was that Pelegrini is fucking useless. Whether Mancini is a better manager than Pelegrini or vice versa is debatable. To suggest one is good and the other is fucking useless is nonsense. 

[Wooderson]

Not about Hillsborough?

[mrtourette]

5 hours ago, eastynh said:

As for your point re chamos leage, you need to look at the groups both managers landed in as you are not comparing apples with apples.

It's your point dude, you brought those comparisons here. You're happy to throw around rudimentary stats to 'prove' how bad he's done when in fact those same stats show Mancini wasn't really any better.  You can't use them to batter Pelligrini but when they're used against Mancini claim that there's more to it. If it isn't comparing apples with apples then why use them in the first place?

It's perfectly reasonable to think that's he's underachieved this season and to want him out, I'm not disagreeing with it. Just have the balls to stand by your opinion rather than copy and pasting some basic stats from wiki and trying to claim they mean something (and then dismiss them when they go against Mancini).

You're in a better position than anyone here to give your opinion on him and the team's performance, but it's just an opinion, trying to use stats to prove anything just makes them look pretty similar.

Edited March 17, 2016 by mrtourette

[mrtourette]

1 hour ago, Wooderson said:

Not about Hillsborough?

What does the smaller text say?

[Wooderson]

20x

15.4.89

*edit* and MUFC.

Edited March 17, 2016 by Wooderson

[ThomThomDrum]

Murdered em over the two legs. That was nice!  

[Wooderson]

Has LVG thrown in the towel

[ThomThomDrum]

He knows he is gone. They just can't fire him until 4th is impossible. Citeh and Arsenal being shit is killing them, as it keeps them mathematically in the race and LVG at OT  

[sdvruxk]

The subs he made tonight were awful. His persistence with that lump in centre midfield is mind boggling. None of the players have improved, most of them have got worse. 

The only enjoyment a Utd fan gets is watching Martial run at people and watching De Gea make decent saves (which isn't really a good thing).

[The Nal]

4 minutes ago, sdvruxk said:

The subs he made tonight were awful. His persistence with that lump in centre midfield is mind boggling. None of the players have improved, most of them have got worse. 

The only enjoyment a Utd fan gets is watching Martial run at people and watching De Gea make decent saves (which isn't really a good thing).

Watching Dave makes saves has been the highlight of the season! Sadly he only has a few games in a Utd shirt left I suspect. 

Needed 3 goals and LVG brought on two full backs and a conservative midfielder. In a home game. He should just quit now before hes dealt the death blow on Sunday against City. 

[strummer77]

4 hours ago, mrtourette said:

What does the smaller text say?

5.4.89 - The date of Hillsborough. A few lowlifes keeping it going though - not a majority. The debate keeps flaring up every year around these incidents but think if you take a step back, it is generally hopefully dying out. Think some Liverpool youth lad did some response that wasn't great...

A joint statement from the clubs might help though - think in fairness Ferguson may already have done an open letter.

Edited March 18, 2016 by strummer77