Anyone get the sense the end of Glastonbury is nigh?

[Spindles]

The rule of thumb I was told years ago, and I've no idea if it was ever true let alone whether it still would be - Long Drops (ie with some permanent foundations) are only on Worthy Farm, the neighbouring land gets temporary solutions.

That was certainly the case in the past.  But now there are long drops where they were previously the raised, Reading style ones, so I'm not sure if the rule still holds or whether that land has been purchased by the festival.

[neil999]

Because I wanted to be in uni the same year as my mates (LAME) though one settled for a pointless degree instead of doing another year of A Levels, as he didn't get his main or insurance offer so I'm not the worst in the bunch. I should have done another year of A levels really.

 

I cocked up A levels but still got lucky as my uni let me in. This last year's going to be an absolute bitch as I need to up my grade massively, lolz.

 

a-levels are the time of your life...just keep doing them forever

[Space Shanty]

Neil do you think this other potential festival would be established with the aim of taking away some of the pressure caused by Glasto at present, ie. would it potentially see Glasto downsized so it would cause less environmental damage and be in a better position to satisfy authorities?

 

A second festival with a more exclusively commercial lineup would also see a potential easing of the pressure on T-Day, which only gets more ridiculous every year

[UEF]

I think it'll carry on happening as long as there's a buck to be earnt.

 

But also I think it could be held anywhere - people who think it could only happen on one set of fields out of millions are probably doing a big of a disservice to the people who actually do the work of putting the festival on.

[DeanoL]

No.  The Park certainly isn't.  I'm not sure about some of the others.

Is the park not on the Park Farm land they bought a few years back? Serious question, always assumed as the names were the same.

[jeffie]

I think it'll carry on happening as long as there's a buck to be earnt.

 

That isn't the raison d'etre though.

[UEF]

That isn't the raison d'etre though.

 

That's what keeps any business going. Either as it is now, or sold off as a going concern.

[stuartbert two hats]

Is the park not on the Park Farm land they bought a few years back? Serious question, always assumed as the names were the same.

Oh maybe I'm wrong then.  As you were.  Don't trust me, I'm a toad.

[The Placid Casual]

Harsh

Next time I'll call you one so that you feel a part of it.

[Pinhead]

That was certainly the case in the past.  But now there are long drops where they were previously the raised, Reading style ones, so I'm not sure if the rule still holds or whether that land has been purchased by the festival.

 

You have to go back to the old early '80's site maps I think to see the extent of the land Eavis owns, like the ones Glasto-Worker has posted on here a few times in the past, before additional farmers land began to be used. That makes only the Pyramid on his land, plus possibly Acoustic Stage.

[stuartbert two hats]

It's shockingly hard to Google what land is owned by Michael.

[eFestivals]

ah, interesting. I'd heard similar (about them not necessarily have to hold the festival in a specific year), and that was how they were able to move the fallow year, so contracts were for a fixed number of years, rather than fallow to fallow.

 

the contracts are generally written to go to the next fallow year, but the next fallow year isn'rt ever really firmly fixed.

 

Since the 80s, it's changed from every third year to now be ever 6th year - and during any fallow year (when the contracts are generally written and signed) they don't necessarily know that the next fallow year will definitely be on a particular date.

 

So while they in-theory tend to go from fallow year to fallow year, in practice it doesn't necessarily work out like that.

 

And, from what Glasto-worker has posted, it sounds like the current WBC contract run a while beyond the next falloow year. I'd guess there's a particular reason why for this - most probably related to some sort of investment WBC needs to make and where they need to know they'll see the money back from that investment (that might be wrong in its specifics, but there'll be a good reason why).

[Alan_C]

The first thing I thought when I read this today was maybe the fallow year? Possibly to see if they could use a different site on years where they need a break from Worthy Farm, or possibly to test the water on the fallow year to see if it would be viable to move the festival permanently in the future?

[stuartbert two hats]

You have to go back to the old early '80's site maps I think to see the extent of the land Eavis owns, like the ones Glasto-Worker has posted on here a few times in the past, before additional farmers land began to be used. That makes only the Pyramid on his land, plus possibly Acoustic Stage.

But he's purchased the neighbouring fields, at least twice.

[UEF]

Fallow year is still every 5th isn't it - but with the exception made for the Olympics?

 

i.e. I fully expect there to be a festival in 2016 and the next one being 2018, with 2017 off.

[eFestivals]

Neil do you think this other potential festival would be established with the aim of taking away some of the pressure caused by Glasto at present, ie. would it potentially see Glasto downsized so it would cause less environmental damage and be in a better position to satisfy authorities?

 

I've no idea of the specific rationale behind it.

[UEF]

You have to go back to the old early '80's site maps I think to see the extent of the land Eavis owns, like the ones Glasto-Worker has posted on here a few times in the past, before additional farmers land began to be used. That makes only the Pyramid on his land, plus possibly Acoustic Stage.

 

I understand the easy way to determine what is farm land is to see if it has a Long Drop in the field in question - if it does, then that means cutting into the ground and that's Eavis land. If the toilets are above-ground, then it may be rented land.

 

Probably some exceptions to this such as the flushers by the farmhouse and the composters by the pyramid etc.

[eFestivals]

Fallow year is still every 5th isn't it - but with the exception made for the Olympics?

 

i.e. I fully expect there to be a festival in 2016 and the next one being 2018, with 2017 off.

 

As we understand it, they're attempting to move the next fallow year to 2018 but that's not nailed on as yet.

 

But if that happens, expect it to be every 6th year ... except of course by the time 2018 has come and gone that will have been two of every sixth year which will mean they'll probably try to push it up another year, as it's been two fallows then an extra year added with the most recent expansions with the fallow year.

Edited July 3, 2015 by eFestivals

[Sawdusty surfer]

Fallow year is still every 5th isn't it - but with the exception made for the Olympics?

 

i.e. I fully expect there to be a festival in 2016 and the next one being 2018, with 2017 off.

16 and 17 confirmed as festival ON. After that who knows...............

[eFestivals]

16 and 17 confirmed as festival ON. After that who knows...............

 

2017 isn't confirmed according to solid word we had yesterday - it might still be the fallow year.

 

But they're defo wanting it to be 2018.

[Quark]

Neil do you think this other potential festival would be established with the aim of taking away some of the pressure caused by Glasto at present, ie. would it potentially see Glasto downsized so it would cause less environmental damage and be in a better position to satisfy authorities?

 

A second festival with a more exclusively commercial lineup would also see a potential easing of the pressure on T-Day, which only gets more ridiculous every year

I can see that being one argument.  If the challenges with neighbouring landowners and the environmental problems are posing commercial and legal risks to the festival as a going concern then reducing the size could address that. 

[Respectfatfrog]

Next time I'll call you one so that you feel a part of it.

Cheers placid

[sime]

If having another Eavis run festival somewhere else leads to Glastonbury getting a bit more low key and quieter then I am all for it. I'd like to see the other festival be the one where all the big name acts go and for the Pyramid to have acts more the size of those that currently are on the Other Stage. I've been to them all since 1993 and although I do like the expansion to the festival that's happened over the years (especially The Park), it does now feel to me really quite a massive beast. I'd like to see it get a bit smaller again. Maybe like it was in 1995. That was a classic year I felt. Having a viable festival alternative may help that to happen.

[Space Shanty]

If having another Eavis run festival somewhere else leads to Glastonbury getting a bit more low key and quieter then I am all for it. I'd like to see the other festival be the one where all the big name acts go and for the Pyramid to have acts more the size of those that currently are on the Other Stage. I've been to them all since 1993 and although I do like the expansion to the festival that's happened over the years (especially The Park), it does now feel to me really quite a massive beast. I'd like to see it get a bit smaller again. Maybe like it was in 1995. That was a classic year I felt. Having a viable festival alternative may help that to happen.

 

That's exactly my hope as well.

If the other festival drew away some of the crowd who basically never go beyond the perimeters of the Pyramid and Other Stage fields, that IMO would be a good thing.

Might sound selfish, but those that go to Glasto and treat it just like any other festival, ie. never going to see the parts that make it different, would be better served with just another festival

[Pinhead]

But he's purchased the neighbouring fields, at least twice.

 

Ah, good point - yes land has been added, though I'm not sure which areas. Someone mentioned The Park, or perhaps the Other field.