Are Poems The Right Way To Discuss Issues?

[eFestivals]

which is what bullying is

exactly. So the claimed 'better' method of "tolerance [but only of what I say you should tolerate]" is ultimately the same thing.

[eFestivals]

Controlling negative behaviour still has a positive outcome.

where the negative is defined by the controlling person and where the positive is defined by the controlling person (and invariably the biggest benefit is to them).

But it's not cultural imperialism, oh no.

Edited October 22, 2015 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

If lack of social control means a free for all, then I'm in favour of social control.

You make the mistake of believing that 'social control' has to be set within what you define it as.

You can have social control of murder while deciding that (for example) there should be no social control on speech.

(I don't actually believe there should be no social control on speech, tho it's worth remembering it's not hearing someone be [say] racist that's offensive, it's the fact that they're racist).

[feral chile]

It can be, but isn't necessarily.

It can also be about using a light-hearted method to point out the flaws in what's been said. It's attacking the message and not the messenger.

laughing with rather than at.

 

yes, that's why I said it's a fine line, and that's why the perception of the recipient of the banter is crucial. if banter offends someone who was genuinely included, people won't get arsey when they realise they screwed up.

the reactions to complaints are very revealing, in fact, it's usually impossible to work out intent until that stage.

 

Which is why I've tried to stay neutral, as that bit has yet to play out.

as you can see, I think of bullying as something negative that's done to exclude, or to bond against the excluded.

Edited October 22, 2015 by feral chile
to clarify

[feral chile]

You make the mistake of believing that 'social control' has to be set within what you define it as.

You can have social control of murder while deciding that (for example) there should be no social control on speech.

(I don't actually believe there should be no social control on speech, tho it's worth remembering it's not hearing someone be [say] racist that's offensive, it's the fact that they're racist).

I've mentioned this before, my son's nursery teacher used to chide children with 'but that will hurt so-and-so's feelings'. No need to mention the 'b' word, too problematic.

Sure, it's control, sure it's based on Christian/humanitarian ethics, and yes, I know consciously I've been socialised into them, and knowing this, I accept the moral code and guidance they offer me.

[feral chile]

I really hope that was said in a mocking tone

 

seriously, I'm always deeply ashamed when I resort to mockery, I know perfectly well what I'm doing. Ridicule can be worse than physical torture.

[feral chile]

It can be, but isn't necessarily.

It can also be about using a light-hearted method to point out the flaws in what's been said. It's attacking the message and not the messenger.

it can be, it can also be a way of including someone - not just being polite. i'm undecided here.

[poetrychatbore]

I will reply in the only way I no how. enjoy forum members.

 

fred quimby - hit the nail on the head 22.10.15

first and foremost i want to apologise

please accept me being humble

with gnomicide please don't criticise

but thank fred quimby for the rumble.

yes it does destroy and corrupt

i wrote the story of nassisitic

but now i have gripped as most have been abrupt

i no my chances with celery are realistic.

some have seen me round

me you must following

you must all worship my ground

even reading this for more swallowing.

healthy is criticism

i take great pride and i am not fibbing

its not as painful as my circumcision

so keep flowing the brutal ribbing.

to be compared to a genius

i wish i could hold my laughter

because my words are described as heinous

after they are read there is no thought after.

lets not bring in the bully

i am no victim and need no lawyer

my respect you have fully

to no i caused so much anger makes me the enjoyer.

thank you for the apology

and from using the throne

you no i am no child prodigy

i am no rocky like sylvester salone.

am i feeling mockery

can you see the ridicule

please don't drop if you are holding crockery

but i am staying on efestival because i love a duel.

[russycarps]

I will reply in the only way I no how. enjoy forum members.

 

fred quimby - hit the nail on the head 22.10.15

first and foremost i want to apologise

please accept me being humble

with gnomicide please don't criticise

but thank fred quimby for the rumble.

yes it does destroy and corrupt

i wrote the story of nassisitic

but now i have gripped as most have been abrupt

i no my chances with celery are realistic.

some have seen me round

me you must following

you must all worship my ground

even reading this for more swallowing.

healthy is criticism

i take great pride and i am not fibbing

its not as painful as my circumcision

so keep flowing the brutal ribbing.

to be compared to a genius

i wish i could hold my laughter

because my words are described as heinous

after they are read there is no thought after.

lets not bring in the bully

i am no victim and need no lawyer

my respect you have fully

to no i caused so much anger makes me the enjoyer.

thank you for the apology

and from using the throne

you no i am no child prodigy

i am no rocky like sylvester salone.

am i feeling mockery

can you see the ridicule

please don't drop if you are holding crockery

but i am staying on efestival because i love a duel.

that one wasnt bad...perhaps you thrive when pressured.

 

 

[feral chile]

I will reply in the only way I no how. enjoy forum members.

 

fred quimby - hit the nail on the head 22.10.15

first and foremost i want to apologise

please accept me being humble

with gnomicide please don't criticise

but thank fred quimby for the rumble.

yes it does destroy and corrupt

i wrote the story of nassisitic

but now i have gripped as most have been abrupt

i no my chances with celery are realistic.

some have seen me round

me you must following

you must all worship my ground

even reading this for more swallowing.

healthy is criticism

i take great pride and i am not fibbing

its not as painful as my circumcision

so keep flowing the brutal ribbing.

to be compared to a genius

i wish i could hold my laughter

because my words are described as heinous

after they are read there is no thought after.

lets not bring in the bully

i am no victim and need no lawyer

my respect you have fully

to no i caused so much anger makes me the enjoyer.

thank you for the apology

and from using the throne

you no i am no child prodigy

i am no rocky like sylvester salone.

am i feeling mockery

can you see the ridicule

please don't drop if you are holding crockery

but i am staying on efestival because i love a duel.

there we go, here's our answer.

[fred quimby]

 

that one wasnt bad...perhaps you thrive when pressured.

 

 

Or could it be that I was the muse

 

I would recommend reading them in different accents

[kaosmark2]

I find it amazing that celery is taking the moral highground. Someone who only a few weeks ago went on an aggressive rant on the football thread, followed by several days of passive aggressive and snide remarks.

The only problem I have with poetrychatbore is the endless creation of new threads. The poetry itself is poorly written but mildly amusing. 

[russycarps]

I find it amazing that celery is taking the moral highground. Someone who only a few weeks ago went on an aggressive rant on the football thread, followed by several days of passive aggressive and snide remarks.

The only problem I have with poetrychatbore is the endless creation of new threads. The poetry itself is poorly written but mildly amusing. 

ha I wondered why he had so many downgrades next to his name.

 

[LJS]

The poet asked "is it a crime?"

to express my opinion in rhyme?

 We answered "no, sir,

but we'd strongly prefer 

you express them in future in mime

[Gnomicide]

Or could it be that I was the muse

 

I would recommend reading them in different accents

Reading as Yoda works for me.

I will reply in the only way I no how. enjoy forum members.

 

fred quimby - hit the nail on the head 22.10.15
first and foremost i want to apologise
please accept me being humble
with gnomicide please don't criticise
but thank fred quimby for the rumble.
yes it does destroy and corrupt 
wrote the story of nassisitic
but now i have gripped as most have been abrupt
i no my chances with celery are realistic.
some have seen me round
me you must following
you must all worship my ground
even reading this for more swallowing.
healthy is criticism
take great pride and i am not fibbing
its not as painful as my circumcision
so keep flowing the brutal ribbing.
to be compared to a genius
i wish i could hold my laughter
because my words are described as heinous
after they are read there is no thought after.
lets not bring in the bully
i am no victim and need no lawyer
my respect you have fully
to no i caused so much anger makes me the enjoyer.
thank you for the apology
and from using the throne
you no i am no child prodigy
i am no rocky like sylvester salone.
am i feeling mockery
can you see the ridicule
please don't drop if you are holding crockery
but i am staying on efestival because i love a duel.

Nice response. Keep up the good work, maybe don't start a new thread every time, especially if the subject is already being discussed elsewhere? It makes you look like you are attention seeking, which I know is rich coming from me as I started this thread but there you go.

Ridicule can be worse than physical torture.

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

[fred quimby]

 

seriously, I'm always deeply ashamed when I resort to mockery, I know perfectly well what I'm doing. Ridicule can be worse than physical torture.

Sticks and stone may break my bones

but words cause permenant damage

[russycarps]

Ridicule can be worse than physical torture.

I think I'd rather be called a ninny than have the soles of my feet removed with a rusty tin opener and be forced to walk across a pit filled with salt, whilst having my eyes pecked out by starving magpies

but that's just me.

 

[feral chile]

Reading as Yoda works for me.

Nice response. Keep up the good work, maybe don't start a new thread every time, especially if the subject is already being discussed elsewhere? It makes you look like you are attention seeking, which I know is rich coming from me as I started this thread but there you go.

Ridicule is nothing to be scared of.

Ridicule - depends - can be used top disguise malice, difficult to retaliate, can seriously undermine someone by refusing to take them seriously - don't underestimate it, it's powerful stuff. It's why humour's used to defuse tension - it lessens the threat.

[Gnomicide]

And I won't ever stop showing you I'm handsome

You're so dandy.

[oneeye]

One of my favourite poems

 

[feral chile]

 

I think I'd rather be called a ninny than have the soles of my feet removed with a rusty tin opener and be forced to walk across a pit filled with salt, whilst having my eyes pecked out by starving magpies

but that's just me.

 

yes, but would you care if they were pissing on you, laughing, and telling you your dick was tiny and they'd shagged your mother/sister/daughter/wife etc.?

or if they let you shit yourself and laughed at the mess you'd made?

Ridicule is an attempt to make you less, either in your own eyes, or, more likely, in the eyes of others.

it's a status thing. very important for primates.

 

I'm more thinking of things like this, or stuff meant to stifle people.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/23/teen-bullying-when-do-jok_n_2005997.html

Edited October 22, 2015 by feral chile

[feral chile]

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/30-best-ever-put-downs-wittiest-945130

http://www.iwp.edu/docLib/20060209_RidiculeasaWeapon2.2.1.pdf

Edited October 22, 2015 by feral chile

[Celery]

I find it amazing that celery is taking the moral highground. Someone who only a few weeks ago went on an aggressive rant on the football thread, followed by several days of passive aggressive and snide remarks.

The only problem I have with poetrychatbore is the endless creation of new threads. The poetry itself is poorly written but mildly amusing. 

Those down votes were from a certain small minded set of fans who took exception to me pointing out a fact about their club, in relation to a point about my club. I was called a scumbag, a c**t and various other names for merely pointing out an indisputable fact. There was no ranting or aggression on my part certainly, which you would realise if you had read all my posts.

Anyway, it's nice to see the responses to poetrychatbore have turned more favourable now. Lets just all get along, or at least not be dickheads if we don't like something. 

Edited October 22, 2015 by Celery

[russycarps]

football fans involved in aggressive and abusive behaviour.

What a shock!

 

[eFestivals]

Lets just all get along

but only if that 'getting along' is to the rules you dictate, yeah?

I mentioned the "let's all get along" fallacy, and then you go and do it. Priceless.