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1 hour ago, thewayiam said:

Are you that shocked?

It sounds like a cross between 30 STM and a Rammstein show without the setup and pyro.

From the minute Oli stormed Coldplays table at the awards etc, you knew he'd disappeared up his own arse, as soon as they had songs that people knew the words to.ย 

I am a little shocked, yeah. Like, Ally Pally last year let me down a bit and I considered not going to see them again, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and one last chance to prove me wrong.ย 

A Rammstein show? Nothing at all in common with them. Rammstein are an immensely polished live band who's stage productions enhance their sets, where as BMTH are a band who are relying on backing tracks for both of their vocalist, who's stage show destracts people from that.ย 

Had songs that people knew the words to? I'm not sure if that is a slight on their older albums being heavy, or if you're trying to say that as soon as they got the radio airplay and that fan base picked up their newer songs?ย 

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In fairness to them, the metal world mugged them off for years so can't really blame them for turning their back on it and going for that 5sos/twenty one pilotsย crowd.ย 

Oli has always been ropey live but the racket they made covered it up. No the new style leaves him nowhere to hide so they've had to resort to the Britney Spears method of singing.

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2 hours ago, Andre91 said:

I am a little shocked, yeah. Like, Ally Pally last year let me down a bit and I considered not going to see them again, but I thought I'd give them the benefit of the doubt and one last chance to prove me wrong.ย 

A Rammstein show? Nothing at all in common with them. Rammstein are an immensely polished live band who's stage productions enhance their sets, where as BMTH are a band who are relying on backing tracks for both of their vocalist, who's stage show destracts people from that.ย 

Had songs that people knew the words to? I'm not sure if that is a slight on their older albums being heavy, or if you're trying to say that as soon as they got the radio airplay and that fan base picked up their newer songs?ย 

What I meant with Rammstein is that if you take away the main reason for the show, the pyro and stage setup it becomes not much at all, I wasn't comparing the actual bands.

Nope I'm not trying to say as soon as they got radio play although evidently they weren't going to get much of that on anything until TTS was released. For me they were just screamy shite and you wouldn't understand what they were saying unless you searched for the lyrics, and yes it all covered up then poor vocals.

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5 hours ago, thewayiam said:

Are you that shocked?

It sounds like a cross between 30 STM and a Rammstein show without the setup and pyro.

From the minute Oli stormed Coldplays table at the awards etc, you knew he'd disappeared up his own arse, as soon as they had songs that people knew the words to.ย 

Off to see them in Manchester on Tuesday (which will be all kinds of fun bearing in mind I'm also meant to be polling the US election results straight after, and, ohmygodTrumpisanabsoluteloonandyethehasastupidlygoodchanceofwinningunlessthepollslookup) but when I saw them at Leeds last year, it was a great show - but the vocals of one Mr Sykes was easily the weakpoint. I don't think Fish is on backing track - indeed, he seems to be practically co-vocalist. There's programming involved, certainly, but doubt there's significant backing track outside of Oli - and Fish seems to cut his backing vocals live to mask that.

General critical reviews have been good, so looking forward to it.

Eighty minutes is tragic though, but Def Leppard did seventy five last year I think (granted, on a co-headliner, but still).

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36 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

What I meant with Rammstein is that if you take away the main reason for the show, the pyro and stage setup it becomes not much at all, I wasn't comparing the actual bands.

Nope I'm not trying to say as soon as they got radio play although evidently they weren't going to get much of that on anything until TTS was released. For me they were just screamy shite and you wouldn't understand what they were saying unless you searched for the lyrics, and yes it all covered up then poor vocals.

Apart from Rammstein actually sound good live, they'd still sound good if you took away the pyro, the pyro just makes it exceptional.

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54 minutes ago, Gozpot said:

Apart from Rammstein actually sound good live, they'd still sound good if you took away the pyro, the pyro just makes it exceptional.

Totally agree. Musically they are top notch and the stage show just takes it to another level, ย Thought they were brilliant this year

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In reference to the previous post about bmth, I have to agree. I saw them in London the other day and shikari completely outdone them. I have been seeing both bands for years, and bmth were ever so disappointing. The production etc was cool and everything, but oli was half singing every sentence and leaving the rest or leaving the rest to jordan, and it just didn't feel like they enjoy playing their new music. The best time I saw bmth was either at warped uk in 2012 (before sempiternal)ย or reading in 2013 (after sempiternal). Both times it was so easy to see that they were enjoying themselves more. I mean I get it - they had to adapt their sound in order to get to the size of which they are now, just wish they had made a better album than TTS though. If/when they do headline download, as unlikely as it would be, I would love to see sempiternal or something older in full.

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Enter shikari however, absolutely killed it. Their setlist was very strong, they had great production, they werent muffled/almost hiding the vocals like bmth did at times, and I thought that was the best they have ever been. The crowd loved them, and I would take them headlining over bmth currently.

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16 minutes ago, Gozpot said:

You're actually ridiculous, just because they have a good stage show doesn't mean you can't enjoy how they sound.

Yes but you won't know the difference off the show without that, it's been said before if they scaled all that back it would be much different so it's ridiculous.

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16 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

Yes but you won't know the difference off the show without that, it's been said before if they scaled all that back it would be much different so it's ridiculous.

Just because they have a large stage show doesn't mean they cannot perform, you saying that is utterly stupid, you can't claim they would be bad without the stage show when you have no evidence for that based on the fact of how they sound fantastic live.

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