Are we In or Out?

[CaledonianGonzo]

3 minutes ago, paddyclark said:

 Boris has gone form likeabld buffoon to unelectable clown

He's always been a calculating, self-interested Machiavellian prick, fwiw. He's just dropped the mask.

[Mardy]

Just now, Larraht said:

I'm in.

Is the result drawn while we're all at Glastonbury? Do you think it will be announced in some way at the festival?

Everyone will know, if nothing else, it'll be on those news boards that the campsite crew have.

[CaledonianGonzo]

You won't be able to walk 50 yards from your tent without overhearing the results.

[the wonderwhy]

Yup, just sent my remain vote off. 

Hoping all my fellow youngsters take the time to vote. Got the feeling we're going to be key. 

[somecoolusername]

 

1 minute ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

You won't be able to walk 50 yards from your tent without overhearing the results.

Thursday 2009 I was lulled to sleep by the sound of our neighbours loudly discussing whether or not Michael Jackson was really dead.

(he was)

[RichardWaller]

4 minutes ago, Larraht said:

I'm in.

Is the result drawn while we're all at Glastonbury? Do you think it will be announced in some way at the festival?

Word'll get around one way or another, should expect it'll be on front page of the Guardian. I don't really want to know what's going on outside of the festival when we're there, the news is such a downer.

[HattersBoy]

Am in but saw a poll where the only category who wanted out more than in were over 50's. Why would that be?

[dentalplan]

James will announce it to the crowd before leading a singalong of the EU national anthem.

[Mezhyp1]

Voted in, there's absolutely no danger surrounding it in my eyes, brexit don't have a hope in hell of winning.

I suspect it'll be celebrated with messages on the pyramid stage etc

[CaledonianGonzo]

4 minutes ago, HattersBoy said:

Am in but saw a poll where the only category who wanted out more than in were over 50's. Why would that be?

Because the baby boomers give zero fucks about pulling the ladder up behind them.

[JanieM28]

1 minute ago, HattersBoy said:

Am in but saw a poll where the only category who wanted out more than in were over 50's. Why would that be?

I might be able to answer that in part. Those of us aged 50/60/70 etc are old enough to have watched the expansion and encroachment of the EU over the years. It started off as a market-sharing entity but has grown into something that is almost uncontrollable. (Watch the Paxman documentary on BBC1 from last week regarding rules, expenditure and other things).

Younger people tend to be up for remaining in because they don't know anything different. My 83-year old mother (who voted in initially, and again in the early Eighties) and is now a Brexiteer, would say youngsters simply don't know any better. 

<Ducks down below the parapet...>

[maclauk]

Waiting for the forms to vote"IN".

Even Boris believes we should be in but being the face of out is his best chance of becoming PM.

If you're not registered to vote then do so now. If you don't have a postal vote arranged then do so now. Whichever way you think you'll vote just make sure you actually do vote.

[Istari]

Postal vote sorted and I am voting in. Really don't want to give more power to Dave and Gideon.

Both camps are giving exactly the same arguement so how is leaving going to be any better

[HattersBoy]

3 minutes ago, JanieM28 said:

I might be able to answer that in part. Those of us aged 50/60/70 etc are old enough to have watched the expansion and encroachment of the EU over the years. It started off as a market-sharing entity but has grown into something that is almost uncontrollable. (Watch the Paxman documentary on BBC1 from last week regarding rules, expenditure and other things).

Younger people tend to be up for remaining in because they don't know anything different. My 83-year old mother (who voted in initially, and again in the early Eighties) and is now a Brexiteer, would say youngsters simply don't know any better. 

<Ducks down below the parapet...>

Good explanation but my 75 year old mother beingva staunch labour supporter is voting out mainly due to the immigration issue. Trust me have had many convs /debates but she isnt for turning! And she hated thatcher lol

[Mardy]

16 minutes ago, HattersBoy said:

Am in but saw a poll where the only category who wanted out more than in were over 50's. Why would that be?

Generally people get more conservative as they get older.

 

but Calgon has nailed it really. The generation that benefitted most from the welfare state, free education, affordable housing etc etc has done everything they can to screw the following generations and ensure their comfort at massive cost to young people today.

[Woffy]

40 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

The op asked how you were voting. Not what Mrs Woffy screams at you when you're drunk on a Saturday night!

4 daughters and a son later: she's got a point!

[HattersBoy]

3 minutes ago, Mardy said:

Generally people get more conservative as they get older.

Yh have seen that with the mother but she still swears blind she is staunch labour.

[Mardy]

Just now, HattersBoy said:

Yh have seen that with the mother but she still swears blind she is staunch labour.

Lots of surveys and statistical evidence of it, and consevative doesn't necessarily mean Tory, just more resistant to change or new ideas

 

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/56280/1/democraticaudit.com-Age_significantly_impacts_on_the_choices_that_voters_make_at_elections.pdf

 

 

[JanieM28]

4 minutes ago, Mardy said:

but Calgon has nailed it really. The generation that benefitted most from the welfare state, free education, affordable housing etc etc has done everything they can to screw the following generations and ensure their comfort at massive cost to young people today.

Wow! That is a completely unfair generalisation about Baby Boomers! As far as I'm aware, most of my Baby Boomer friends are using their money to help their kids pay for university, re-mortgaging their own homes to help them get on the property ladder and acting as the Bank of Mum and Dad when a family member needs help.

Are they supposed to give their hard-earned money to the fat cats in government, especially the ones in the EU instead of helping their families?

 

[Woffy]

6 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

That was done while you were getting drunk!

 

*Apologies if too far *

Have you two been talking?!!!

[Peroni]

Most of my "friends" are voting based on the xenophobic attempts to control imigration. Not realising the broader impact... needless to say I'm clearing using this referendum (and those Britain first posters) as an option to cull from my social circle.

My other half and I live by the logic that we do the opposite of what Murdoch wants....Seems to  work so far...

 

 

[Spindles]

30 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Because the baby boomers give zero fucks about pulling the ladder up behind them.

Beautifully stated.

[Mardy]

Baby boomers benefitted from free university education then stopped the next generation from enjoying it. 

Baby boomers enjoyed free healthcare then introduced the market system into the nhs

baby boomers were able to buy houses at 2.5-3 times the salary of a young semi skilled worker and then benefitted massively from the hoysing bubble caused by their economic policies.

 

they have consistenly denied the advantages they had to the following generations

 

now, clearly not all individuals are selfish, but as a generation, overall, it's impossible to argue they have had a far far better life than their parents before them and the generation following them. Every single statistical and economic indicator shows this to be true.

[Woffy]

7 minutes ago, Mardy said:

Lots of surveys and statistical evidence of it, and consevative doesn't necessarily mean Tory, just more resistant to change or new ideas

 

http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/56280/1/democraticaudit.com-Age_significantly_impacts_on_the_choices_that_voters_make_at_elections.pdf

 

 

This.

My Dad - staunch socialist, former seam miner and steelworker prior to getting a degree in Chemistry at Durham and going into teaching - has become incredibly consetvative now he's 80.

But it usually revolves around how he dislikes Guardianistas, the internet and how the BBC is setting itself up to be shafted by ANY Government.

He hasn't gradually morphed into a fervent racist nor recited the foremans mantra.

[Crystal Waters]

Well, here's one over 50 who will be voting to remain in the EU. Postal vote is sorted.  Whilst it's not a perfect set up, there's no way I'd vote to reduce the protection we get from the EU in relation to employment law etc.