Football 16-17

[Wooderson]

Gulf in spending is farcical at this stage. Christy Brown could manage City or United with their chequebooks.

[eFestivals]

19 hours ago, The Nal said:

Imagine getting sent off in the cup final for diving. 80k in the stadium, millions watching around thew globe, family, friends etc.

... and then getting married the next day.

[thetime]

9 hours ago, Wooderson said:

Gulf in spending is farcical at this stage. Christy Brown could manage City or United with their chequebooks.

Would certainly make football more interesting/competitive if there was a transfer/wages cap.

or saying that the amount of money wasted by the 2 you mentioned is obscene. 

[Wooderson]

59 minutes ago, thetime said:

Would certainly make football more interesting/competitive if there was a transfer/wages cap.

or saying that the amount of money wasted by the 2 you mentioned is obscene. 

£35 million on goalkeepers makes a mockery of "how competitive" the league is according to Everyone™. Absolutely ridiculous.

On the point of the wage cap - the NFL has caught my eye consistently in recent years due to their overt and unapologetic controls on wages/recruitement. Granted it is a walled-garden, but it will ensure the survival of their league. If this spending goes on unchecked much longer the "Premiership" is dead.

[The Nal]

2 hours ago, eFestivals said:

... and then getting married the next day.

Did he? Cheek of him! He should've been hiding under his bed. 

34 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

£35 million on goalkeepers makes a mockery of "how competitive" the league is according to Everyone™. Absolutely ridiculous.

35m eh?

[thetime]

34 minutes ago, The Nal said:

 

35m eh?

To be fair nal when it's come to wasting money Utd are top of that list.

[thetime]

Although flipping the coin it would of stopped your chelseas and city's of the world growing like they have.

of which I'm not so keen on, would of just kept your same old teams at the top table and fans need to dream don't they.

[The Nal]

5 minutes ago, thetime said:

To be fair nal when it's come to wasting money Utd are top of that list.

Indeed. Utd have loads of money. As do City, and Chelsea. Liverpools owner is worth 2 billion. 

Can't see Liverpool fans giving out if they go and spend a shit load on players this summer. Arsenal and Liverpool fans have been screaming "spend the money" for years now. 

City spending 35m on a badly needed keeper isn't ridiculous. De Gea was 18m remember which people actually laughed at. Including lots of posters here. 

4 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

I'd be for some sort of cap. They have it in Rugby League and it has worked as in it's more common for the smaller teams to beat the bigger ones than it used to be. 

League teams play against league teams. NFL teams only play against other NFL teams.

The Premier League teams are looking to compete with the Madrids and PSGs of the world. Start capping Premier League transfers and wages and the league is over very quickly. 

[ThomThomDrum]

I see the Gaurdians Utd correspondent Jamie Jackson reckons Moany is "obsessed" with signing Lukaku

[ThomThomDrum]

5 minutes ago, The Nal said:

League teams play against league teams. NFL teams only play against other NFL teams.

The Premier League teams are looking to compete with the Madrids and PSGs of the world. Start capping Premier League transfers and wages and the league is over very quickly. 

It would have to be a UEFA implemented (if not in reality and FIFA implemented) directive/rule for it to have any chance of working. I dont think it is workable in football at all really and the vested interests will not even discuss it, let alone take such a proposal seriously and try and bring it in. 

EDIT - I see my post is effectively and double post by @Scruffylovemonster  (I type way too slow)

Edited May 29, 2017 by ThomThomDrum

[eFestivals]

10 minutes ago, The Nal said:

De Gea was 18m remember which people actually laughed at. Including lots of posters here. 

Not me. I laughed at how shit he was when first signed. The cost didn't come into my thinking, apart from laughing at how much he'd cost to be that shit.

Same with Pogba. He might prove his price in the future (it happened with Rio, after all) but right now the price and quality consideration can only bring laughter.

[Wooderson]

8 minutes ago, thetime said:

Although flipping the coin it would of stopped your chelseas and city's of the world growing like they have.

of which I'm not so keen on, would of just kept your same old teams at the top table and fans need to dream don't they.

Fans are being priced out as it is. Theres no quick-fix here I geddit. But to continue to allow the kind of bizarre spending by debt/oil money financed clubs is only going to go one way.

One of the big fellas has to "do a Rangers" for it to end IMO.

[The Nal]

36 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Fans are being priced out as it is.

Thats the big issue yeah. I laugh as much as anyone about The Emptyhad etc but the City fans have seen a silly spike in ticket prices over the last decade.

Interesting to see Zabaleta go on about "I've been here since the beginning" in his farewell speech. 

[pink_triangle]

48 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Not me. I laughed at how shit he was when first signed. The cost didn't come into my thinking, apart from laughing at how much he'd cost to be that shit.

Same with Pogba. He might prove his price in the future (it happened with Rio, after all) but right now the price and quality consideration can only bring laughter.

For all the talk about pricing , it's not like it's taxpayers money funding these players, so why care if people over spend. Fact is Pogba is a player all man UTD rivals would happily have in their squad.

[Wooderson]

Just now, pink_triangle said:

For all the talk about pricing , it's not like it's taxpayers money funding these players, so why care if people over spend. Fact is Pogba is a player all man UTD rivals would happily have in their squad.

Genuinely one of the most ignorant things I've read from you on here.

[pink_triangle]

5 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Genuinely one of the most ignorant things I've read from you on here.

Seriously if Man Utd spend 50 million, 75 million or 100 million on pogba, what difference does it make to anyone outside the teams involved in the transaction ?

For all the talk about financial fair play we shouldn't forget it was advocated by big boys trying to protect their spots.

Edited May 29, 2017 by pink_triangle

[Wooderson]

Multiple reasons. Just off the top of my head - player power, agents fees, dwindling competition, gouging of fans, further shift in power to the tv networks. A bubble is a bubble is a bubble mate.

[thetime]

15 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Multiple reasons. Just off the top of my head - player power, agents fees, dwindling competition, gouging of fans, further shift in power to the tv networks. A bubble is a bubble is a bubble mate.

Question would be would you feel the same if a billionaire ploughed the money into Liverpool? I'm sure the average city or Chelsea fan are not  complaining to much.

serious question. 

Edited May 29, 2017 by thetime

[pink_triangle]

28 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Multiple reasons. Just off the top of my head - player power, agents fees, dwindling competition, gouging of fans, further shift in power to the tv networks. A bubble is a bubble is a bubble mate.

Does it make a difference to competition? Man UTD get the player however much they end up paying. While the rich clubs effect the competitiveness of the league, it's more competitive than when Arsenal and man u were trading titles

[eFestivals]

45 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

For all the talk about pricing , it's not like it's taxpayers money funding these players, so why care if people over spend. Fact is Pogba is a player all man UTD rivals would happily have in their squad.

I laugh if I hear of a millionaire being ripped off, too.  It's much the same thing. 

Pobga may or may not be a player worth having, both now and in the future. But for now, him at £89M makes me laugh, a lot.

Utd fans (see above) will laugh at the Carroll deal at £35M, and I wouldn't tell them they're wrong (even tho the context of that gives a justification to some of the stupid-high price).

[eFestivals]

Just now, Scruffylovemonster said:

It really doesn't. We should have just kept the 50million and spent it wiser in the summer.

except of course it wouldn't have been £50M, it would have been £45M. Which is part of that context I was talking about.

Even at £30M it would have been a stupid price - don't get me wrong - but it perhaps wouldn't be the standard pisstake on prices that it is. It might have just been a stupid price rather than a pisstake price, if you get what I mean.

 

[The Nal]

36 minutes ago, Scruffylovemonster said:

The idealist in me would be upset, but the realist knows it's the only way these days. 

Theres an argument to say that all this money helps with bringing youth through. Not necessarily home grown lads living beside the stadium, but scouting young players and having coaching facilities set up to help them succeed. In fairness to City, their new training complex and set up is a total pisstake. 

[CRW5252]

Two penalty shoot wins for Huddersfield! They deserved it on the day to be fair. It's good to see two fresh teams coming up in Brighton and Huddersfield. I fancy they will both do well. 

[zahidf]

Huddersfield supporters who have held season tickets since 2009 will be able to buy one for £100 next season. Around £5 a game.

Pre 2009 have been promised a free renewal for 1 year!

Brilliant!

[pink_triangle]

2 hours ago, CRW5252 said:

Two penalty shoot wins for Huddersfield! They deserved it on the day to be fair. It's good to see two fresh teams coming up in Brighton and Huddersfield. I fancy they will both do well. 

As a neutral I think 2 shootouts is a bit disappointing, although if your a fan you wouldn't care. With 3 northern teams being relegated, I'm glad we have another coming up for a bit of balance. I also struggled to get excited about reading as I can't remember anything about their previous premiership stints.