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I'm taking part in a drug trial. I have tablets which may be a placebo, or a drug that is existing and used for nerve related pain. Well, I don't think I am on the placebo because I feel quite twatted! I've had dizziness, dry mouth, and generally feel like I've been on it when I haven't! Very odd! It could all be placebo effect though. Who knows! We find out in 14 weeks whether I've had the real one or a placebo. All very interesting! 

I really could do with a lie down, unfortunately I am at work!! 

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When I was at medical school we were all absolutely skint, of course, so I once had a bronchoscopy and bronchial biopsies (you could feel them pulling the chunks of tissue from the inside of your airways!) for £100. Which was a bloody fortune. My mate Andy (Welsh, now an orthopaedic surgeon) was even more brassic than me and elected to have a liver biopsy for £400. Mortality rates from the procedure in 1989 would not have seen me do that for that money, poor or not!

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9 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

When I was at medical school we were all absolutely skint, of course, so I once had a bronchoscopy and bronchial biopsies (you could feel them pulling the chunks of tissue from the inside of your airways!) for £100. Which was a bloody fortune. My mate Andy (Welsh, now an orthopaedic surgeon) was even more brassic than me and elected to have a liver biopsy for £400. Mortality rates from the procedure in 1989 would not have seen me do that for that money, poor or not!

Ben

I had a liver biopsy a couple of years ago!!! Wish I'd have been paid £400 for it, it was horrible!!! I felt rotten afterwards for days!! I had to lie down for 6 hours afterwards, wasn't even allowed up for a wee, and I was very closely monitored for internal bleeding. It's the first time I've had something done that I've been told I might die from! I know surgery is always a bit of a risk, but I had to sign something to say I knew that the risk here was VERY high!!! All good fun!! 

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Afternoon.  Happy new week to us all.  I have only ever made sloe gin but, having read past couple of pages' posts, am wondering if I should be more adventurous ! 

My DIY continues.  Am steaming off wallpaper today.  Chimney scaffolding going up on Friday apparently.  Yay  :)

Very skint.  It's leftovers and see what's lurking in the depths of the freezer week.  Bubble and squeak for lunch - smells delish.

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18 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

When I was at medical school we were all absolutely skint, of course, so I once had a bronchoscopy and bronchial biopsies (you could feel them pulling the chunks of tissue from the inside of your airways!) for £100. Which was a bloody fortune. My mate Andy (Welsh, now an orthopaedic surgeon) was even more brassic than me and elected to have a liver biopsy for £400. Mortality rates from the procedure in 1989 would not have seen me do that for that money, poor or not!

Ben

One of my brothers topped up his cash reserves at college by appearing in police line ups. I think he got paid £10 for each line up but he managed to fit a few a week in in between lectures. 

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12 minutes ago, trevethin said:

Afternoon.  Happy new week to us all.  I have only ever made sloe gin but, having read past couple of pages' posts, am wondering if I should be more adventurous ! 

My DIY continues.  Am steaming off wallpaper today.  Chimney scaffolding going up on Friday apparently.  Yay  :)

Very skint.  It's leftovers and see what's lurking in the depths of the freezer week.  Bubble and squeak for lunch - smells delish.

Freezer fun week!! I like that! I rarely label things I put in the freezer, which makes it exciting!! 

Bubble and squeak sounds like a good idea. Yum. 

Crikey I feel quite twatted!! Haha! 

 

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46 minutes ago, lucyginger said:

I'm taking part in a drug trial. I have tablets which may be a placebo, or a drug that is existing and used for nerve related pain. Well, I don't think I am on the placebo because I feel quite twatted! I've had dizziness, dry mouth, and generally feel like I've been on it when I haven't! Very odd! It could all be placebo effect though. Who knows! We find out in 14 weeks whether I've had the real one or a placebo. All very interesting! 

I really could do with a lie down, unfortunately I am at work!! 

That pretty much sums up my symptoms when I don't drink coffee Lucy!:)

Quite a few years ago I was a bit skint and signed up for phase 2 of a drug trial that entailed them flying me out to Mexico City for a few weeks. It's all a bit vague now but I remember reading up on the said drug and deciding it was relatively safe. The money wasn't bad and I saw it as a chance for a free holiday. Sadly it was cancelled about 3 months before I was due to go.

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20 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

That pretty much sums up my symptoms when I don't drink coffee Lucy!:)

Quite a few years ago I was a bit skint and signed up for phase 2 of a drug trial that entailed them flying me out to Mexico City for a few weeks. It's all a bit vague now but I remember reading up on the said drug and deciding it was relatively safe. The money wasn't bad and I saw it as a chance for a free holiday. Sadly it was cancelled about 3 months before I was due to go.

Oh no! Sounds like it could have been very interesting!! Unfortunately this isnt a paid trial, but I do get free drugs technically! If it's the real one that is!! 

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48 minutes ago, MilkyJoe said:

That pretty much sums up my symptoms when I don't drink coffee Lucy!:)

Quite a few years ago I was a bit skint and signed up for phase 2 of a drug trial that entailed them flying me out to Mexico City for a few weeks. It's all a bit vague now but I remember reading up on the said drug and deciding it was relatively safe. The money wasn't bad and I saw it as a chance for a free holiday. Sadly it was cancelled about 3 months before I was due to go.

Hello MilkyJoe,

Maybe it was for the best that it was cancelled. I recall a test in London a few years back going drastically wrong, and people having organ failure etc. In fact, I think that the bloke who had the placebo, who watched as others started screaming in agony as he waited to see if he was going to go down that path, has just written a book on the experience. I'd have been tempted before, but not since hearing about that harrowing ordeal for the volunteers.

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15 minutes ago, Yoghurt on a Stick said:

Hello MilkyJoe,

Maybe it was for the best that it was cancelled. I recall a test in London a few years back going drastically wrong, and people having organ failure etc. In fact, I think that the bloke who had the placebo, who watched as others started screaming in agony as he waited to see if he was going to go down that path, has just written a book on the experience. I'd have been tempted before, but not since hearing about that harrowing ordeal for the volunteers.

Yeah I remember that one, I think quite a few people died. Looking back now I'm glad that it got cancelled as there have been a couple of cases where it has gone wrong. I think the reason they gave was that they had enough results before my trip kicked off so they cancelled it. 

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58 minutes ago, Yoghurt on a Stick said:

Hello MilkyJoe,

Maybe it was for the best that it was cancelled. I recall a test in London a few years back going drastically wrong, and people having organ failure etc. In fact, I think that the bloke who had the placebo, who watched as others started screaming in agony as he waited to see if he was going to go down that path, has just written a book on the experience. I'd have been tempted before, but not since hearing about that harrowing ordeal for the volunteers.

Bloody hell fire!! Makes my dizziness pale in comparison!!! 

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2 hours ago, lucyginger said:

Bloody hell fire!! Makes my dizziness pale in comparison!!! 

There's an interesting article here on it (see link below). Well worth a read for those thinking of doing a trial.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35766627

I agreed to a drug trial when I had major surgery, but that was with an established drug already in use. They indicated that they were looking to see if it improved recovery time. I think I was the placebo though because after the operation I vaguely recall a nurse pretending to give me an injection but not actually doing so. Mind you, that could have just been a false hazy memory as I didn't really know what was going on with me for days after the operation.

It's odd really because I would never consider doing a drug trial with an unknown drug in a proper medical setting, but tell me that that drug will get me off my head and I'll bite your arm off to take it. Mad. Quite mad!

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3 hours ago, lucyginger said:

Bloody hell fire!! Makes my dizziness pale in comparison!!! 

It doesn't sound like you've got the placebo Lucy!  I hope you got a lift home - doesn't sound like you should be driving. 

It's funny the way we assess risk @Yoghurt on a Stick, for instance worrying about flying more than driving (which has a far greater risk of death).  I suspect it's about how much control we think we have;  taking an unknown drug under medical supervision paradoxically feels less in control (because others have control) than taking any number of dubious substances with no medical oversight at all.

Something rather mind-blowing has happened.  A couple of weeks ago I gave the Headteacher of the school which my youngest hopes to go back to a special message of thanks to read out at a full staff meeting.   It was a way of making it more widely known how much I value the support certain teachers have given, which has helped my son and undoubtedly kept me from going insane.   One of them told me today that he's really been struggling with his own problems and knowing how much he's been able to make a difference for my son has helped him a lot.  He became a teacher to make a difference,  and I became a counsellor to do the same thing,  and because of my son we both got to do this. 

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1 hour ago, Yoghurt on a Stick said:

There's an interesting article here on it (see link below). Well worth a read for those thinking of doing a trial.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-35766627

I agreed to a drug trial when I had major surgery, but that was with an established drug already in use. They indicated that they were looking to see if it improved recovery time. I think I was the placebo though because after the operation I vaguely recall a nurse pretending to give me an injection but not actually doing so. Mind you, that could have just been a false hazy memory as I didn't really know what was going on with me for days after the operation.

It's odd really because I would never consider doing a drug trial with an unknown drug in a proper medical setting, but tell me that that drug will get me off my head and I'll bite your arm off to take it. Mad. Quite mad!

I don't think that's likely, tbh. If it was a proper trial, the nurse would not have known whether it was a placebo or not.

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25 minutes ago, marcoolio said:

I don't think that's likely, tbh. If it was a proper trial, the nurse would not have known whether it was a placebo or not.

OK, I didn't know that. As I said, it could have been a false memory. I do still recall her going to inject me with something and not actually sticking the needle in. Might have been a dream. What wasn't a dream was that a few days later a Spanish consultant came to see me and said something like ' You go home now', and then she trotted off. I mistook this for being told to go home NOW, so although in pain, got up walked out of the hospital (I think still in my hospital garb) and caught a taxi to my then girlfriend's (now wife) flat, even though I had no money to pay the taxi driver. Good job she was in and was able to pay. She then went ballistic that I was allowed out in the state I was in etc and rang the hospital. Apparently at the hospital end they were running all over the place trying to find me. The Spanish consultant had apparently mean that I was to go home that day, not right at that moment. 

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