US Presidential Election 2016

[zahidf]

https://twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/796454254001135616

[pink_triangle]

3 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Because non racists can do/cause racist things and validate racism.

etc. etc.
 

individual choice leads to societal consequences.

I think your maybe in danger of over complicating things. Many anti war people would have voted for Clinton with potential war one day being a consequence.

[eFestivals]

48 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Ok we will see then. Taking to the streets when its too late again seems too close to 1930 for comfort, but i guess we have to think about the economically anxious first

 

I guess ill be able to scream 'I told you so' before we fall into the Brexit/Trump abyss

And I guess you won't.

Because besides a few words there's fuck all to support all of the bollocks you're spouting.

[The Nal]

4 minutes ago, zahidf said:

https://twitter.com/rabiasquared/status/796454254001135616

Do you just take everything you read on twitter as gospel and base your opinions on that? 

[feral chile]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

I think your maybe in danger of over complicating things. Many anti war people would have voted for Clinton with potential war one day being a consequence.

Also, racism is much more subtle than is being presented here, just like any other 'ism'.

We're all guilty of unconscious bias. apparently, I'm biased against older women, which is unfortunate, since I am one. (did an objective test as part of my training).

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Do you just take everything you read on twitter as gospel and base your opinions on that? 

up to you. If you think its rubbish or unbelievable...

[eFestivals]

24 minutes ago, feral chile said:

ok I know not an unbiased source:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/its-not-melodramatic-to-fear-for-our-safety-after-this-election_us_5823831ce4b0d9ce6fc08f1c?

Interesting piece.

Particularly interesting is this bit...

"SPEAK has estimated that 1500 queer young people commit suicide every year."

Which is about 4 people a day.

Which might explain the 4 trans people who were claimed to have committed suicide yesterday.

Which some people wanted to suggest was solely down to Trump's victory.

Making them as full of shit as Trump.

 

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Interesting piece.

Particularly interesting is this bit...

"SPEAK has estimated that 1500 queer young people commit suicide every year."

Which is about 4 people a day.

Which might explain the 4 trans people who were claimed to have committed suicide yesterday.

Which some people wanted to suggest was solely down to Trump's victory.

Making them as full of shit as Trump.

 

Im sure stuff like the GOP anti trans stuff has nothing to do with it, and Pence being in a powerful position wont make things worse for them.

[russycarps]

49 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Not every brexit supporter is racist, but every racist voted for Brexit.

I've seen this written a lot. Is there any evidence to support it?

 

[eFestivals]

25 minutes ago, feral chile said:

erm, presumably the people who voted for trump? They either agreed with him or thought other issues were more important.

They agreed with what he represents more than than they did what Clinton represents.

That and only that is the *ONLY* conclusion that can be drawn without further solid evidence to draw on.

 

[eFestivals]

11 minutes ago, The Nal said:

Do you just take everything you read on twitter as gospel and base your opinions on that? 

he seems to have some opinions of his own that he doesn't wish to discuss, including wholesale support for misogyny and sexism.

How odd.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Im sure stuff like the GOP anti trans stuff has nothing to do with it, and Pence being in a powerful position wont make things worse for them.

yep, the only real evidence is the evidence you claim to know all reason for.

Now, where's my shelf of sci-fi.

Oh, I only have good sci-fi writers, I must be a hater.

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by eFestivals

[pink_triangle]

11 minutes ago, feral chile said:

Also, racism is much more subtle than is being presented here, just like any other 'ism'.

We're all guilty of unconscious bias. apparently, I'm biased against older women, which is unfortunate, since I am one. (did an objective test as part of my training).

It's amazing that this unconscious bias resulted in some of these people voting Obama in twice. So 2 questions.

1.Do you personally believe that the half of the country that voted Trump are all racist?

2. Do you have concerns that labelling such a huge group as racist may effect your chances of regaining their support in the future?

[feral chile]

Just now, eFestivals said:

yep, the only real evidence is the evidence you claim to know all reason for.

Now, where's my shelf of sci-fi.

hey don't you attack sci-fi. At least sci fi villains are usually not of this earth, or often along the lines of 'who are the real monsters, us or them' kind of morality plays.

[zahidf]

2 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It's amazing that this unconscious bias resulted in some of these people voting Obama in twice. So 2 questions.

1.Do you personally believe that the half of the country that voted Trump are all racist?

2. Do you have concerns that labelling such a huge group as racist may effect your chances of regaining their support in the future?

its wasnt half. more like 25% given low turnout

 

clinton got more votes overall

Edited November 10, 2016 by zahidf

[feral chile]

6 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It's amazing that this unconscious bias resulted in some of these people voting Obama in twice. So 2 questions.

1.Do you personally believe that the half of the country that voted Trump are all racist?

2. Do you have concerns that labelling such a huge group as racist may effect your chances of regaining their support in the future?

1. don't know, I don't even know my own biases, but I know they, (like me) will be subject to cultural bias that they won't even be aware of. but their vote will have validated racism in general.

ie our culture devalues women and age, therefore, though my head tells me that's crap, objective testing proves me to be unconsciously biased, albeit slightly, negatively towards a group I'm a member of.

So, if I don't even know my own racist tendencies, I'm certainly not about to claim to know that of others. Or the possibly unintended consequences of their actions.

2. yes.

Edited November 10, 2016 by feral chile

[feral chile]

here's the test, for anyone who might be interested.

https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/takeatest.html

[pink_triangle]

14 minutes ago, zahidf said:

its wasnt half. more like 25% given low turnout

 

clinton got more votes overall

Sorry I just have said 47%of those who chose to vote or 60 million people. It's still a lot to wrote off as racist, especially if you want their votes in the future. For all the talk about Clinton winning the popular vote, I know a few lefties in this country would have no concerns if Corbyn won a general election losing the popular vote.

[Lad]

44 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

have you bought your ticket on the snowflake express for 4th December yet?

 

It's passed you by, I see, that he's tried all he can and that it's the raving-right nutters like you that refuse to help address it.

 

Nothing to say on the slaughter except to bizarrely blame me and right wing nutters.I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of the killings were carried out by people of similar background and race. Just as you seem to be making progress in your much vaunted attempt to take  a fuller,more mature overview you revert back to type and sound like the appalling racist.Isn't the pertinent point the bloodbath in many American towns and cities?Suppose it's easier to blame vague right wing nutters.And me of course. 

[feral chile]

1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

I think your maybe in danger of over complicating things. Many anti war people would have voted for Clinton with potential war one day being a consequence.

maybe, maybe not.

Judging by the uproar over tax credits, loads of people supported cutting benefits, without realising they were voting to cut their working tax credits. that's because they were focused on benefits fraud  and the workshy.

Edited November 10, 2016 by feral chile

[eFestivals]

52 minutes ago, feral chile said:

hey don't you attack sci-fi. At least sci fi villains are usually not of this earth, or often along the lines of 'who are the real monsters, us or them' kind of morality plays.

i wasn't attacking sci-fi, i was attacking just one particular very-crap proponent of the genre, but more specifically that writer's adherents.

 

[eFestivals]

29 minutes ago, feral chile said:

maybe, maybe not.

Judging by the uproar over tax credits, loads of people supported cutting benefits, without realising they were voting to cut their working tax credits. that's because they were focused on benefits fraud  and the workshy.

nope, it's not that,.

As shown by mountains of different research, people have the belief that all other claims are dodgy, but not their own.

I suspect that has its deepest routes in those people's own dodgy doings of the past rather than a distrust in other's honesty.

[eFestivals]

34 minutes ago, Lad said:

Nothing to say on the slaughter except to bizarrely blame me and right wing nutters.I'd hazard a guess that the vast majority of the killings were carried out by people of similar background and race. Just as you seem to be making progress in your much vaunted attempt to take  a fuller,more mature overview you revert back to type and sound like the appalling racist.Isn't the pertinent point the bloodbath in many American towns and cities?Suppose it's easier to blame vague right wing nutters.And me of course. 

me repeating that the yanks obsession with guns has tragic consequences brings no lives back.

While you blaming Obama for what he's been stopped from doing by the raving right reveals where your own sympathies are.

So stop with the TUSC lie now, eh? You've been found out by your own posts.

[eFestivals]

59 minutes ago, feral chile said:

their vote will have validated racism in general.

and if you want to believe that as true...

A vote for Clinton will have validated dropping bombs and killing innocents of some of the same races/beliefs.

So if you take on things is true, a vote for Trump is the less evilly-racist thing.

Which is a bit inconvenient for the line you were taking.

 

 

[feral chile]

17 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

and if you want to believe that as true...

A vote for Clinton will have validated dropping bombs and killing innocents of some of the same races/beliefs.

So if you take on things is true, a vote for Trump is the less evilly-racist thing.

Which is a bit inconvenient for the line you were taking.

 

 

Not really, I'm not that fond of America full stop, my racism just takes a different form.

or liberalism, if you want to term it that.

ask yourself why these 2 candidates were considered the best choices.

Then ask yourself if an anti war campaigner would be considered electable.

Someone not prepared to kill. Or drop bombs.

Edited November 10, 2016 by feral chile