US Presidential Election 2016

[zero000]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

No one knows any more what people will vote for

Absolutely. The polls have been spectacularly wrong once again.

[lost]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

No one knows any more what people will vote for

True, Brexit could of been written off as a freak result. If its a wider shift I'm wondering if its going to filter out to even more countries.

Le Penn in April? and how is that going to affect brexit negotiations.

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, zero000 said:

Absolutely. The polls have been spectacularly wrong once again.

it's because they're discounting the pople who don't normally vote, that have then gone out and voted.

BTW, Trump now officially has it.

 

Edited November 9, 2016 by eFestivals

[st dan]

I wonder if the polls purposely don't want to portray the likelihood of a potential 'negative' results in order not to create panic i.e. Brexit/Trump. 

Or is it just a case of people genuinely being unsure until the day, or more voters turning out than expected? 

In regards to Trump being brandished as 'stupid, moronic, brainless etc' are clearly doing the man a disservice. He's built a multi billion dollar business empire, and now has become the single most powerful person in the world, with no political background.

The man is clearly highly motivated and intelligent, and like him or not it's an astonishing achievement - just a shame he's a racist, sexist, vile human being at the same time. 

[zero000]

Reports Clinton has conceded on the phone to Trump. No surprise really.

[feral chile]

1 minute ago, st dan said:

I wonder if the polls purposely don't want to portray the likelihood of a potential 'negative' results in order not to create panic i.e. Brexit/Trump. 

Or is it just a case of people genuinely being unsure until the day, or more voters turning out than expected? 

In regards to Trump being brandished as 'stupid, moronic, brainless etc' are clearly doing the man a disservice. He's built a multi billion dollar business empire, and now has become the single most powerful person in the world, with no political background.

The man is clearly highly motivated and intelligent, and like him or not it's an astonishing achievement - just a shame he's a racist, sexist, vile human being at the same time. 

he doesn't come across as intelligent. He comes across as 'eccentric' since he has money and power.

I hope the real power is elsewhere than the presidency.

[kaosmark2]

4 minutes ago, st dan said:

I wonder if the polls purposely don't want to portray the likelihood of a potential 'negative' results in order not to create panic i.e. Brexit/Trump. 

Or is it just a case of people genuinely being unsure until the day, or more voters turning out than expected? 

In regards to Trump being brandished as 'stupid, moronic, brainless etc' are clearly doing the man a disservice. He's built a multi billion dollar business empire, and now has become the single most powerful person in the world, with no political background.

The man is clearly highly motivated and intelligent, and like him or not it's an astonishing achievement - just a shame he's a racist, sexist, vile human being at the same time. 

He built a multi billion dollar empire, just from millions of family fortune and a bankruptcy declaration. 

[kaosmark2]

12 minutes ago, lost said:

True, Brexit could of been written off as a freak result. If its a wider shift I'm wondering if its going to filter out to even more countries.

Le Penn in April? and how is that going to affect brexit negotiations.

Dutch likely to go to their far right next year as well. Noone sure what the German election will produce. 

Could well be a huge wave of bigotry - led political results across the west. 

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, st dan said:

In regards to Trump being brandished as 'stupid, moronic, brainless etc' are clearly doing the man a disservice. He's built a multi billion dollar business empire

Oh my.

Trump inherited a fortune.

If Trump had invested that fortune in a simple stock market tracker, he'd now be eight times richer than he is. Trump is not a successful businessman, he's a bad businessman.

[The Nal]

12 hours ago, bunique said:

I'm planning to stay on the sofa for as long as I can stay awake - booked the day off tomorrow.

In terms of predictions I have a similar niggling doubt to Nal about shy Trumpers (arf!) so am on tenterhooks for the result...

Seems most were shy. A fucking landslide.

[hot_ice]

also should be noted that while trump is president, the republicans appear like they will control both chambers of the U.S. Congress,

[lost]

His victory speech was very different to what he's been saying in the run up. No mention of the wall. Maybe we'll just see their corp tax cut from 35% to closer to ours and Obama care repealed. Its still going to be tricky to force though some of the more extreme stuff.

[Mr.Tease]

11 minutes ago, lost said:

His victory speech was very different to what he's been saying in the run up. No mention of the wall. Maybe we'll just see their corp tax cut from 35% to closer to ours and Obama care repealed. Its still going to be tricky to force though some of the more extreme stuff.

It was the standard victory speech all winners use- no one's going to say "I'm going to screw you all", they pretend to be unifying and that they want to heal rifts and work for all but it's complete BS

[Mr.Tease]

I wonder if the next thing will be the national front winning in france 

Republicans now control the presidency, the house of representatives, the senate and get to select the new supreme Court judge, which tips the balance. Feel sorry for any left wingers in America, this is a nightmare. 

[pink_triangle]

1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Beginning of the end of western society. I expect WW3 in the next decade or so

I think that kind of thinking may be of benefit to Trump because when he doesnt do it, people will think maybe he isnt as bad as I thought.

My feeling is that Trump is going into this with the intention of only serving one term regardless of how his term goes.  In terms of how his presidency goes, people are assuming he will be a terrible president, however I think it could go either way.  My assumption is that all the promises he has made in the past go out of the window,

[5co77ie]

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

[pink_triangle]

9 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

 

Republicans now control the presidency, the house of representatives, the senate and get to select the new supreme Court judge, which tips the balance. Feel sorry for any left wingers in America, this is a nightmare. 

For all the talk about Trump being a drag down ballot, all the close senate races went republican despite the dems having some pretty good candidate. Interestingly in 2 years the democrats will mainly be defending senate seats in the mid term, so unlikely to pick up much,

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, 5co77ie said:

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

We'll its the end of 1990s politics which back in the 90s most of us railed against. Unfortunately it's a case of be careful what you wish for... 

[lost]

1 minute ago, 5co77ie said:

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

If it is a fundamental world shift and the euro zone breaks up with referendums in Holland and France, getting out early and the pound being a safe haven currency could be an inspired move.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, 5co77ie said:

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

Yes.

The UK is no longer the most stupid country in the world. 

 

[Mr.Tease]

5 minutes ago, 5co77ie said:

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

I guess the hope is that Trump and the republican party go to war with each other over the next few years and tear themselves apart. 

[grumpyhack]

This article says it rather well

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/fintan-o-toole-the-united-hates-of-america-has-raised-its-middle-finger-to-the-world-1.2861122

[russycarps]

10 minutes ago, 5co77ie said:

...so is there anything positive we can take from this?

 

yes, hillary clinton isnt president.

Sending podesta out to tell her supporters to go home, then conceding in a dark corner? says it all about her character.

Yes trump is a bully and all the rest and it's awful that he's now the most powerful man in the world, but it is a positive thing that the bush/clinton dynasty has been destroyed.

Talk of WW3 is absurd.

 

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

I guess the hope is that Trump and the republican party go to war with each other over the next few years and tear themselves apart. 

would that be like how the tories would tear themselves apart over the brexit campaign, and how they'd tear themselves apart no matter what the result, and how they'll tear themselves apart over a50....?

 

[zahidf]

Yeah, the right won. NATO is fucked, hope everyone is ready for real, pre WW1 instability