Don't vote Tory

[somecoolusername]

They're reporting that Kensington has gone Labour. Wow. It seems, at least in London, that anti-Brexit sentiment has trumped party loyalty.

[Spindles]

4 minutes ago, Newtoit said:

This.

Although it seems a given that she will stay for the shorter term.

This is now what worries me for the not too distant future - a hung parliament with Boris as PM negotiating with Europe

I believed the election was down to 2 reasons. 1: The perceived chance to make a grab for 5 years whilst the chance was there for a massive majority which would see ANY legislation get through. 2: The opportunity to discard promises made by Cameron/Osborne and initiate their own programme of change in their own image.

I think the result has worked out almost as well as could be hoped (must confess a handful more seats on the target list would have made my night).  My hope now is that the worst policies they would hope to enact will now be tempered, that people will continue to come to the point of view that co-operation achieves more than competition and that a Labour party and support united in a common purpose will continue to build upon the gains we have made.

[windy_miller]

10 minutes ago, somecoolusername said:

They're reporting that Kensington has gone Labour. Wow. It seems, at least in London, that anti-Brexit sentiment has trumped party loyalty.

The fact that the Tories asked for 2 recounts seems to have suggested that it was going that way anyway.  But its going to be very, very close.

[babyblade41]

38 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Labour need to do much more than appear to the

Labour need to do much more to appeal to older voters as well. The 20 year old 'me' would have voted for them but the 'Current' me didn't.

exactly the same as me and what I said yesterday 

[p.pete]

20 minutes ago, GMF said:

What I think people are missing is the fact the sole reason this election was called was to give Theresa May who had not won an election as Prime Minister a personal mandate, they then ran a campaign built around her as a leader. She has failed to get a personal mandate and as this was the reason for the election she cannot stay as Prime Minister.

I'm not in such a rush to see her fall on her own sword.  I'm sure they have other terrible candidates waiting in the wing.  Also, the next leader is likely to call another election - except they won't do it on a whim.  They'll make sure they're fully prepared and hit the ground running, maybe even catch labour off-guard and spatting with each other again.

There's every chance Labour could swing things further in their direction at another election.  A progressive alliance (a publicly open, stated out front, we're all working together in this election and this how we're going to do it alliance though, as opposed to a flimsy will-they won't-they coalition of chaos) could go down very well if done well and strategically.  But most likely there's every chance the Tories would run a more slick, better prepared, more unified election, and then we're in a far worse situation.

Whoever's next tory leader has May as an easy scapegoat and a solid basis to go for an election - even if it'll piss us all off.

[Mr.Tease]

4 hours ago, st dan said:

I'm beginning to come round to this conspiracy being true if I'm honest.

The things I mention above, plus the dementia tax, school dinners, policing numbers, response to the recent terror attacks etc. The list goes on. 

It surely can't just be oversights from such an 'intelligent' and highly educated group of front benchers. It's basics we're taking about here. 

Possible that they didn't want to be the party to see us through Brexit, as it is something that could tarnish a party forever if it goes spectacularly wrong. Which is looking ever more likely.  

They thought they'd walk it so they shoved vague and unpopular stuff in the manifesto to head off criticism ("it was in our manifesto").

 

right to the end they thought they had a 100 seat majority, they did not try to lose this, Teresa May is just that shit.

[p.pete]

16 minutes ago, somecoolusername said:

They're reporting that Kensington has gone Labour. Wow. It seems, at least in London, that anti-Brexit sentiment has trumped party loyalty.

Wow!  Two fewer seats and tories couldn't have gotten to 328 even with DUP - if Kensington goes Labour, that would be one of those two seats.  

[Madyaker]

A coalition with the DUP!  You have my sympathy lads!

[p.pete]

2 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

They thought they'd walk it so they shoved vague and unpopular stuff in the manifesto to head off criticism ("it was in our manifesto").

 

right to the end they thought they had a 100 seat majority, they did not try to lose this, Teresa May is just that shit.

And I guess they have won with that manifesto - just how much will they manage to implement...

[Mr.Tease]

Hopefully corbyn brings in Yvette Cooper as Home Secretary, and Chukka as business. It would be nice to see Lisa Nandy back too. None of the weasels like Hilary benn and Owen Smith though. A party working together to get us where we need to be would be nice.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, p.pete said:

Wow!  Two fewer seats and tories couldn't have gotten to 328 even with DUP - if Kensington goes Labour, that would be one of those two seats.  

in reality, only 323 seats is needed for a majority - because SF don't take their seats, and won't.

[StePotts]

the rank hypocrisy is something to behold. what a mess this place is gonna be for the next 5 years.

[bigfurbdogg]

I believed! I had £20 on Labour 250+ seats at 5/1. Just a couple of weeks ago those odds were up at 16/1!

With the way the campaign was going, i just couldn't see a scenario where Labour would lose seats from Ed's 2015 campaign

[stuartbert two hats]

Obviously this guy is a comedian, but I don't think this is too far away from the views of Corbyn's typical supporters:

 

[Mr.Tease]

18 minutes ago, p.pete said:

And I guess they have won with that manifesto - just how much will they manage to implement...

Her own mps know it's electoral poison and she's a diminished figure- so good luck to her in getting any of that crap through! 

[StePotts]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

Her own mps know it's electoral poison and she's a diminished figure- so good luck to her in getting any of that crap through! 

yeah, can see a lot of inside party saboteurs trying to force her out by blocking any motion she tries to put forward. she's living in a dream world thinking everything will carry on as it did before.

[Tuna]

39 minutes ago, somecoolusername said:

They're reporting that Kensington has gone Labour. Wow. It seems, at least in London, that anti-Brexit sentiment has trumped party loyalty.

The student turnout must have had a huge part to play.

[Spindles]

4 minutes ago, StePotts said:

yeah, can see a lot of inside party saboteurs trying to force her out by blocking any motion she tries to put forward. she's living in a dream world thinking everything will carry on as it did before.

That would be the expectation, as with previous minority governments and slim majorities.  An unpalatable issue for a large enough section of her own party to start forcing bills to fail leading towards an eventual vote of no confidence or calling of an election to head that off.

[windy_miller]

Guardian reports... "The BBC is rowing back on its report that Labour has won Kensington as another recount is due to take place this evening."

It must be ridiculously close.  Probably single figures.

Edited June 9, 2017 by windy_miller

[somecoolusername]

Come on Kensington! I promise I'll never call you rich tossers again

[SwedgeAntilles]

Sorry everyone. 

[eFestivals]

36 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Obviously this guy is a comedian, but I don't think this is too far away from the views of Corbyn's typical supporters:

 

yep. fantasy.

 

[Tuna]

20 minutes ago, windy_miller said:

Guardian reports... "The BBC is rowing back on its report that Labour has won Kensington as another recount is due to take place this evening."

It must be ridiculously close.  Probably single figures.

20 votes in it at last count

[p.pete]

38 minutes ago, somecoolusername said:

Come on Kensington! I promise I'll never call you rich tossers again

As politics seems to be mostly about opinions and spin - I'll take Kensington voting Labour as absolute endorsement for taxing the top 5%.

[bigfurbdogg]

How can this be viewed as anything other than a huge win for Corbyn? Depsite the press hounding him for 2 years, just imagine what could have been if we had an impartial press, or even a press who went after May with the same vitoral the went after Big JC with. 

Some people on this thread need to admit they got it wrong with Corbyn and give him the praise he deserves. 

That waterfalls fella must be well chuffed!